Side Story 3 (Forum Style): Who is the greatest minister of the Song Dynasty? ...

Forum-style extra chapter 3

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Title: Nikkei Cricket Fighting Post: Who is Song Chenyi?

1L OP

I came here from that post next door. Friends who like to join in the fun, come quickly!

2L

It's here!

3L

I'm here too. I'm too lazy to argue with a bunch of history ignoramuses, so let's have a lively discussion on the forum. Who's going to give me an identification card?

4L

I'm here too.

5L

Isn't the person upstairs the original poster of the thread next door? 23333

6L

I wonder where the person next door is from... Just from the title, you can feel a chilling murderous aura; it feels like a bloodbath is about to ensue.

Never mind, let's release the peace doves first.

7L

With one

8L

...It's almost the tenth floor, isn't anyone making a fuss?

9L

Maybe it's because everyone here is a fan of Su Su. No matter who is Nong Chenyi, it doesn't stop them from mentioning our Su Su when they're praising their own idols, hehehe.

10L

Is it Su Su?

Zhao Er & Zhao Pu: ?

11L

No, is the person upstairs acting or just trying to be funny? If Zhao Er can be considered a famous minister of the Northern Song Dynasty, then isn't Sima Yi also a loyal minister of the Wei Dynasty?

12L

Anyone who has ever sat on the Emperor's Seat is banned from competing!

13L

Wang Mang, Cao Cao, and Yang Jian left the stage with regret.

14L

Zhao Da also had to accept his position, but he was leaving the scene of Chai Rong, a loyal minister of the Zhou Dynasty.

15L

If Zhao Er is no good, what about Zhao Pu? Does he even have the strength to fight?

16L

It doesn't seem very good... The key issue is that his theory of governing the country with half of the Analects doesn't quite fit with the overall cultural prosperity of the Song Dynasty, and it's not very representative.

This is a bit of a pity.

17L

What about Kou Zhun?

18L

Kou Zhun himself was quite capable, but he was overshadowed by Emperor Zhenzong. For a minister to be considered a great minister, the emperor must also be talented and virtuous to demonstrate his abilities. Emperor Zhenzong's achievements were limited to the Treaty of Chanyuan and the Fengshan ceremony at Mount Tai, making it unconvincing to say that Kou Zhun was highly capable.

19L

It seems the prize pool will have to be established during the reign of King Sejong.

20L

Yes, in previous years the votes have always been between the three candidates from the reign of King Sejong.

Your district's annual voting and ranking has been held for nine years, with Fan Zhongyan, Su Shi, and Wang Anshi each receiving three votes. That's a tie.

21L

The power is so evenly distributed!

No wonder the comments section was so fiercely contested.

22L

If only the restriction that contestants who had been emperors couldn't participate were removed, the results could be announced directly. Su Su, a favorite minister of Emperor Renzong, was undoubtedly the foremost minister of the Northern Song Dynasty. Bring it on if you dare!

23L

...an unforeseen path.

24L

That effectively ended the game.

25L

If we were to nitpick, Su Su's achievements during his time as a minister in Emperor Renzong's reign were not particularly competitive. His accomplishments were mainly concentrated during his time as the Crown Prince and the reign of the Emperor.

26L

Hmmmm, doesn't finding cotton potatoes count?

27L

_(:з」∠)_ I forgot about that.

That's too much to say.

28L

It felt like he was just acting, trying to amuse people by participating in the imperial examinations. He amused Ouyang Xiu, then the emperor, then the court officials. Eventually, Fan Zhongyan couldn't stand it anymore and exposed him publicly.

29L

Huh? Did you expose it because you couldn't stand it anymore?

The version I saw was commissioned by someone, either Emperor Renzong or Su Su herself.

30L

Why did the version I was watching accidentally have the wrong name...?

31L

It's probably due to differences between several TV series versions. The reason isn't explicitly stated in history. As for the real reason, historians are still researching it.

But I don't really care what the reason is. Objectively, this incident facilitated Su Su's return to her true identity, so she won't be chased by gossip accounts writing conspiracy theories. That's good enough.

32L

It's clear that the person upstairs has a deep grudge against street vendor marketing accounts.

33L Original Poster

No way, really?

We're on the 30th floor already, and not a single person is arguing? And I even went out of my way to come up with a headline that would stir up trouble!

34L

Is it possible that all the arguments that people want to have have gone to the comments section of that video? The people still hanging around in your section are really laid-back.

35L

34L makes a good point.

I just checked, and the battle has intensified.

36L

Since we're already here, let me analyze the strengths of Fan Zhongyan, Wang Anshi, and Su Shi.

First of all, these ministers were undoubtedly key figures in Emperor Shizong's restoration of the dynasty. Each of them played an indispensable role. Otherwise, the argument would only result in a one-sided victory rather than a balanced contest.

37L

Yes, yes!

38L

Agreed. (And, by the way, I'm also waiting for your reply.)

39L

Fan Zhongyan's advantage lay in his long tenure. He was involved in everything from the Qingli Reforms to the restoration of the Yongle Emperor. It is said that Su Su's ambition was ignited by witnessing the consequences of the Qingli Reforms' failure.

Moreover, he was particularly good at protecting Su Su. When new inventions emerged in an explosive manner, it was Fan Zhongyan who guarded the Privy Council, stabilized the country, and prevented the explosive productivity from overturning social order.

In terms of martial arts, he persisted in resisting the Western Xia, guarding the northwest border, and also discovered General Di Qing.

After serving in the Privy Council for over a decade, he finally retired gracefully, not succumbing to old age and greed for power. Su Su personally saw him off outside the city. He boarded a newly invented train to return to his hometown. After retiring, he restrained his local clansmen and diligently wrote a notebook to record his official career. More than half of the notebook is about Emperor Shizong, making it essential reading for the study of Song Dynasty history.

In literature, the article "Yueyang Tower" and the Song Dynasty poem "Fisherman's Pride" have been included in textbooks.

In summary: a hexagonal warrior, impeccable in every aspect. It's an answer that leaves no room for criticism.

40L

Wow, that's such a great summary. This person is truly balanced, impartial, and unbiased. The other two are more popular because of their personalities.

41L

Su Shi benefited from the widespread availability of compulsory education, right? After all, "The Yueyang Tower" is only taught in junior high. But Su Shi's poems are covered in elementary, middle, and high school; his knowledge is built up from a young age.

42L

And maybe it'll even have the added benefit of being a food connoisseur!

43L

It makes me laugh whenever I think about it. Su Shi must have had a great time in Yunzhou. After his term ended and he was promoted, he returned to Bianjing (Kaifeng), the central government, and begged Su Shi (Su Su) to send him to another region. He said he had been in Bianjing for too long and was tired of it. He wanted to find good food all over the country.

44L

The root of all evil: the dried lychees Su Su gave him.

45L

When asked, "What about your career in government?" he replied with a straight face, "Having an older sister at home is enough."

46L

What happened next? Did Su Su let him go?

47L

I'm off, I'm off. Su Su is always there for me.

The emperor issued an edict appointing Zizhan as the transport commissioner of funds and provisions in various regions. This allowed Zizhan to indulge in all manner of food and drink throughout the Song Dynasty. After his term ended, he returned to the capital. Susu asked him what he had learned from seeing so many different places and cultures. He didn't say a word, but instead handed Susu a food review book.

Su Su: ? ? ?

48L

Once again, I have to say, that dried lychee that Su Su gave away was truly the root of all evil! And, Su Dongpo, who invented Dongpo pork, was indeed a genius! (Shoveling rice down my face)

49L

(If you're eating rice, then I'll eat rice too.)

50L

I just checked the comments section of the fight, and it cracked me up. That food review is being counted as Su Shi's achievement.

51L

Why can't it be counted? I think it can be. Unless you've never eaten the dishes in that food review since you were a child. After all, food is the most important thing for people.

52L

Okay, you've convinced me. And so, Zizhan carved out his own niche using this bizarre track.

53L

What about Wang Anshi?

As for literature, I only remember that his "Climbing Feilai Peak" appeared in the junior high school textbook.

54L

I feel that his rise to fame is related to that recent fan-made song.

55L

Which one?

Could it be that... "The Horse-Taming Man"?

56L

I can't help but laugh when I see the name.

57L

Who on earth came up with this fan fiction? Before reading it, I had no idea that Wang Anshi was in Bianjing (Kaifeng) on ​​imperial orders to sell horses. After reading it, I can't go back to the past, help...

58L

His horse trading was very important. Cavalry was the foundation for his ability to contend with the Western Xia and Liao dynasties.

59L

Indeed, and after he took office as the Minister of the Three Departments, he implemented a series of policies that were exceptionally effective. He completely transformed technological progress into productivity, and ultimately into national wealth.

According to some data, during Wang Anshi's tenure as prime minister, the Song Dynasty's GDP grew at an average annual rate of over 8%, accounting for 60% of global GDP.

60L

Holy crap, they're incredibly rich! I've never heard of such a thing before.

61L

Sorry, my impression of Wang Anshi mainly comes from his nemesis, the legendary Sima Guang who smashed the water jar...

62L

Who understands? I once thought Su Su did it on purpose, deliberately putting these two completely different people together in the same department or in the same upstream or downstream department, just to see them confront each other.

63L

...?

Su Su probably doesn't have that kind of perverse sense of humor, right?

64L

If Su Su didn't have a wicked sense of humor, then what was the point of him hiding his identity to go to the Imperial Academy, take the imperial examinations, become a favored minister, and intimidate all the officials?

65L

...

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66L

That's bad, there's no way to refute it.

67L

I initially wanted to say that Su Shi taught him, but then I realized that even Su Shi only found out his good friend was a prince halfway through his studies at the Imperial Academy. Now there's no way to shift the blame.

68L

How strange! Neither Emperor Renzong nor Empress Cao were known for their mischievous nature. How did they end up with Susu?

69L

To be fair, Su Su's personality is quite unlike that of a Song Dynasty emperor. Especially unlike his grandfather.

70L

Daily insults to Shinshu (1/1)

71L

Shinzon: What Can I Say!

72L

What?! If Emperor Zhenzong were alive today, he would be grinning from ear to ear at the sight of his grandson's success.

73L

Why have you gone off-topic again? Didn't we agree to discuss who Song Chenyi is?

74L

The advantages of everyone have been listed above. You upstairs, why don't you take a look and see if you can decide who is better?

75L

cannot.

76L

That solves it, doesn't it? (Shrugs)

77L

Forget it, since half of this area consists of Su's radical fans and the other half are fans who think the former aren't radical enough, let's just give Su a back door.

78L

What are they saying upstairs?

79L

The implication is that a special channel will be opened for Su Shi, allowing him to become a minister of the Song Dynasty. This should appease fans of Fan Zhongyan, Su Shi, and Wang Anshi.

80L

Agreed.

81L

support!

82L

? ? ? ? ?

Who went to that comment section to drive traffic to my area? Now the fans are planning to gang up and take over the high ground in public opinion?

83L OP

No, who the hell wants to harm us?

84L

Let's release peace doves one last time before things get chaotic. Wishing everyone happiness every day and prosperity through harmony!

If you're worried, you can lock the thread.

85L OP

Good idea, I'll apply.

86L

I'm leaving my name before I close this book. Goodbye everyone!

87L Administrator 01

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