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As one of the top universities in the country, Kyoto University not only has a strong academic atmosphere, but also has many interesting things to do.
The most interesting one is the Kyoto University Forum.
Students and teachers, whether serious or cheerful, often find themselves lurking and discussing things on the Kyoto University forum.
In short, it's a gathering of big shots and oddballs.
As new students entered the school, more people flocked to the forum, and the place, which had been quiet for a long time, finally became lively again.
Especially for liberal arts students who have nowhere to express their enthusiasm.
With final exams just finished, everyone was very excited and quickly piled up the posts, with the most lively discussion taking place in the history section.
Title: The Most Romantic Teacher-Student Relationship in History: True Love or a Transaction?
Main Post: I'm a science student, and my historical knowledge is limited to middle school and TV dramas. However, I started taking history and literature as an elective this year. The teacher is humorous and engaging, and I enjoy her classes. But she keeps talking about the history of the Great Zhao Dynasty. I was curious and looked it up, and it turns out that Emperor Shengzhao and his tutor were both teacher and student, as well as emperor and empress. Is their relationship really that complicated? Can anyone explain it in detail? Was it true love or a transaction?
1L: It's clear that the poster is a complete history novice. How long have you been studying history as an arts student? How long have you been obsessed with these two books? You relied on these two books for all three years of high school. They must be true lovers!
2L: Just a passerby tricked into clicking by the title. I have to say, OP, you really know how to come up with a title [thumbs up]. I'm guessing you don't know that these two aren't just teacher and student, but also have a mentor-student relationship, and there's even a woman dressed as a man… The sheer variety of elements is astounding. When I first learned this, I was absolutely amazed.
3L: As you can tell from the title, our region's top figures, Lord Wen and Emperor Shengzhao, are back in action! (Crazy dding)
4L: But speaking of these two, they are indeed very impressive. As we all know, history books record history. Before Emperor Shengzhao, no emperor and empress's love story could be recorded in history books. After that, not only did women's status improve significantly, but female emperors also emerged one after another... In that feudal era, to achieve this level of love was definitely true love!
5L: And this one truly lived a life of one love for life. Not to mention the knowledgeable palace maids, she didn't even have a harem later on (doge).
6L (Original Poster): I know most of what you're saying, but I'm still very curious, in ancient times, wouldn't teachers and students who had relationships be killed by spittle?
7L: It's obvious that the original poster underestimated the charm of Lady Wen and the ability of Emperor Shengzhao. The former not only protected the emperor with her own strength, but also cultivated and helped a large number of court officials. It is said that even Lord Ye, who was later the head of the censors, was on her side... As for the latter, he held great power and was truly not threatened by the ministers. If he wanted to do something, could anyone stop him?
8L: I'm pushing Wen to the top of the rankings!!! He absolutely adores younger guys!!!
9L: I'm dying of laughter! Every time I hear someone say that Emperor Shengzhao is a younger puppy, I want to laugh (rolls around).
10L (replying to 9L): He's obviously a younger man, okay? Lord Wen is six years older than Emperor Shengzhao! That age difference makes it quite amazing that they could get together in ancient times.
11L: Younger man/older woman, nurturing, teacher/student... I love shipping these!
12L: I'm not saying this to be mean, but aren't you guys overly biased towards these two? I think it's more like a deal. Think about it, at that time, the military power was in the hands of the Wen family, and Grand Tutor Wen was at the pinnacle of his position, with a group of friends and colleagues. In any case, he had reached the point where his merits overshadowed the emperor. Then it was suddenly revealed that Grand Tutor Wen was a woman. If the two of them got married, it would be a powerful combination, which would also help Emperor Shengzhao consolidate his power. Both sides would benefit. What is this if not a deal?
13L: Yes, yes, I agree with the comment above. One is the royal family, the other is a powerful clan. It would be good if these two sides didn't check each other. But Emperor Shengzhao and the Grand Tutor, having reached their positions, definitely need to find a way to maintain balance. At this point, a marriage alliance is the best solution. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to call it a transaction.
14L: Forgive my bluntness, but the Wen family fought alongside the founding emperor of the Great Zhao Dynasty to establish the empire. Although there were some conflicts, things were generally fine. In fact, very few women from the Wen family married into the royal family. So why are you suddenly saying it's a political marriage here? I don't believe it. (shrugs)
15L: Moreover, ancient times placed great emphasis on etiquette and law. Emperor Shengzhao was shrewd and capable, and being with his teacher would have meant facing the risk of public backlash. Given his situation at the time, there was absolutely no need for him to take that risk. (smiles with soybeans)
16L: Exactly! And according to official historical records (emphasis added), after Lord Wen was assassinated and disappeared, Emperor Shengzhao was heartbroken. He didn't eat or drink for many days and even carried out a bloody purge of the court. Especially afterwards, he not only didn't give up the search but also frequently visited the Prince's residence, showing how deep his feelings were.
17L: I have something to say about this. Emperor Shengzhao's courtesy name was personally chosen by the Grand Tutor. Nobody knew it at the time. If he didn't really care, he wouldn't have said it.
18L: To be honest, you guys are too superficial. Let's not even talk about whether he likes someone or not. After all, Emperor Shengzhao and his tutor have been together for so many years. It's normal for him to cry when he hears this kind of news, right? Just because he's sad doesn't mean he likes someone. (rolls eyes)
19L: Exactly! Besides, Emperor Shengzhao imprisoned Grand Tutor Wen in the palace for so long. If he truly loved and respected her, would he have done that? To ship love amidst the power struggle is just ridiculous (eye roll). (eye roll)
20L: I'm telling you, don't be so hostile. What did we shippers do to you? Why are you saying this?
21L (Original Poster): Stop arguing, stop arguing... That's right, what I've seen everyone say, it sounds like not only Emperor Shengzhao is amazing, but his Grand Tutor is also amazing?
22L: OP, if you don't mind me going off-topic, I'll tell you about it.
23L (OP) (replying to 22L): It's okay, I don't mind. You said...
24L: (Rubbing her hands together) That's a long story! The youngest top scholar in the history of the Great Zhao Dynasty, you know? And not just a top scholar, but a six-time winner! I don't need to elaborate on the prestige of that, right? Moreover, she disguised herself as a man, mingling in the court as a woman. At sixteen, she dared to enter the palace alone, protecting the young Emperor Shengzhao and confronting the leader of the treacherous faction. I can't even imagine her courage… And what's more, she became Grand Tutor right after entering officialdom, and also served as Minister of Personnel and Grand Secretary, getting along well with more than half of the court officials. She was the first woman in history to enter the civil service and the court, the most revered person by countless women throughout history. Even historical records highly praise her; she's truly amazing!
25L: To be honest, becoming empress is really Wen Taifu's least famous achievement. Anyone who has read "The Secret History of the Great Zhao Dynasty" knows that Wen Taifu's parents initially did not want their daughter to become empress.
26L: Sigh, it's mainly because Grand Tutor Wen's achievements were so outstanding. Even though she was a woman, she was very successful in the court. No matter how glamorous an empress was, she might not have the freedom of a subject. In ancient times, once you entered the palace walls, it was like entering a deep sea; you might never see your daughter again. Who would be happy about that? (shrugs) Besides, our teacher told us that there might be hundreds or thousands of empresses, but there was only one Grand Tutor Wen Hemian. This shows how much they admired her achievements.
27L: The key is that Wen Taifu's achievements weren't limited to the court. Even before the treacherous faction fell, she had already begun to develop people's livelihoods. The first few high-yield crops were all found by Wen Taifu's subordinates and then gradually spread throughout the country. It is said that the people at the time were very grateful, and shrines built during that time still remain in the countryside today.
28L: Or, OP, let me give you a simple example. When we mention Lord Wen now, we instinctively call him Lord Wen or Grand Tutor Wen, but very few people mention that she was Empress Xie. What does this show? It shows that she herself did not become anyone's vassal, and this achievement is remembered by history. Anyway, when I learned this part of history, my jaw almost dropped.
29L (OP) (replying to 28L): Wow, now that you mention it, I suddenly understand a bit. I feel like Lord Wen really is like that kind of "white moonlight" described in novels!
30L: The original poster suddenly realized, hahaha!
31L: Okay, okay, now that we've finished explaining things to the original poster, let's get back to the main topic and not forget what we're discussing in this post! (hhh) As a history student, I really think that the love between Grand Tutor Wen and Emperor Shengzhao can be seen in many ways: first, they didn't have a harem; second, they were deeply devoted to each other; and third, they had a daughter.
As is well known, Xie Ying, as the first officially designated female emperor in history, was groomed as their heir almost from birth. Furthermore, the couple had no more children for several years afterward. The reason for this, according to the historical records of the Great Dynasty, can be traced back to Emperor Sheng Zhao's deep affection for his teacher. Not only did he disregard the prevailing notions of filth during her childbirth to personally attend to her, but according to those present, he even wept. This demonstrates that he genuinely cared for his teacher.
32L: I really admire what the person upstairs said. In an era that valued having many children, Emperor Shengzhao was willing to withstand the pressure of not letting Lord Wen have any more children and even directly appointed his daughter as Empress. He was very decisive. No matter what the outside world speculated about them, I firmly believe that they were in love!
33L: Yes, and even after becoming Empress, Lord Wen continued to serve as an official in the court, which is unprecedented.
34L: Hahahaha, why not mention that Lord Wen was sitting on the dragon throne with Emperor Shengzhao, and the two of them were both being shouted "Long live the Emperor"?
35L: He really, he loves it (not really).
36L: Don't even mention how much he adores him. The Grand Tutor definitely cares about Emperor Shengzhao, after all, he was his childhood sweetheart (doge). And back when the northern lands were in turmoil, after dealing with the chaos in the capital, the Grand Tutor's first action was to rush to the battlefield without stopping. He must have been worried, hehehe.
37L: I want to speak but I don't dare to. I feel like this thread has been taken over by CP fans...
38L: Same as above, anyway, I can't convince myself to believe it.
39L: If you can't eat it, don't eat it. The food is delicious, I love it! Lord Wen and Emperor Shengzhao are the real deal! They're true!
40L (Original Poster): Stop arguing, stop arguing. I just saw a news push notification that seems to say something has been discovered again. Why don't you guys go check it out before you come back? [Link attached...]
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131L: Huh?
132L: Let's go for a single 6 here.
133L: Are you guys crazy? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Can someone give me a brief overview?
134L (replying to 133L): Friend, you have to go see this!! Didn't they say before that they couldn't excavate all of their tombs due to technical reasons? Guo Jia has been secretly doing something big behind our backs! They finally excavated it a while ago, and not only did they find more precious cultural relics, but most importantly, they even found letters written between Emperor Shengzhao and Grand Tutor Wen—(screams) (rolls around)
135L: Moreover, they must have used special preservation techniques at the time, so those letters are very well preserved, with only a small part needing restoration. Currently, the cultural relics website has released most of the content, so I can now confidently tell the original poster that these two are definitely in true love!
136L: What do you mean by "There is a beautiful woman in my heart"? Even when writing battle reports, you can't help but include your personal feelings, constantly expressing how much you miss Wen Taifu. Tell me, what is this if not love!
137L: And Emperor Shengzhao is really hilarious! It even preserves some of the words he wrote to Grand Tutor Wen when he was young. The way he wrote those cheesy lines, my boyfriend, that deadbeat straight guy, definitely wouldn't be able to utter a single one of them.
138L: A contemporary guide to love talk – look to Emperor Shengzhao!
139L: I'm begging Emperor Shengzhao to publish a book!!
140L: I'm begging you to publish a book!!!
141L: You guys upstairs are really funny. What's the point of wailing here? Emperor Shengzhao can't see it anyway.
142L (replying to 140L): This is called abstraction. Do you understand abstraction?!
143L (replying to 141L): Maybe!
144L: Oh no, the people upstairs are all crazy about abstract art, hahaha.
145L (Original Poster): Everyone, I'm back after reading! Actually, I think we don't need to discuss this anymore; we probably already have the answer to this question. After all, no amount of discussion can compare to the actual historical records. I was a little skeptical at first, but now that I'm putting myself in their shoes, I'm even starting to ship them! Honestly, I've seen plenty of imperial love stories, but this is the first time I've seen one so pure and passionate. I've really learned something new!
146L: Putting everything else aside, I really support the original poster joining us in shipping this CP (couple pairing). Being a fan of this CP is great; we're eating state banquet food every day!
147L: Honestly, their love story is absolutely gorgeous! When you were at your lowest point, someone appeared by your side, taught you knowledge, and accompanied you as you grew up. Later, she became your servant, and then he became your wife. Isn't that incredibly beautiful?!
148L: Not only was the parents' love beautiful, but their daughter was also very happy, living a harmonious life with her husband and queen. Perhaps she was influenced by her parents.
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520L (Original Poster): How can I put it? It's sweetness everywhere! Reading history books now feels completely different. The official history is so sweet, it makes me feel like fanfiction couldn't capture their epic lives—it's just too unfair!!! Whatever, I'm going back to studying!!
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[This post was last commented on September 30, 2024 at 13:14]
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