Chapter 292: Shocking words, causing uproar! (Additional chapters, asking for monthly votes!)

"What kind of question is this?"

"How can law be on the same level as etiquette?"

"Who let him go up there?"

Before Xun Ke even answered, the audience below the podium became unhappy.

They came to see the glory of the Confucian leader, not to see a silly boy looking for trouble.

Etiquette is etiquette, law is law, they cannot be confused! What is etiquette? Etiquette is reason!

Etiquette is the greatest morality.

What about the Dharma? What is the Dharma? It is just a lower limit.

If a person says that he is very polite, knows etiquette and observes etiquette, then he must be very cultured and is likely to be a good person.

But if someone says that he understands the law, knows the law, and abides by the law, then he is most likely a bad person.

Morality is the highest limit, and law is the lowest limit. How can the two be compared? Is it normal for a normal person to ignore the pursuit of higher and better morality and focus on the lowest limit?

Although Xun Ke said that human nature is evil, that was in order to change nature and guide people to learn and seek goodness in evil. He was not saying that because human nature is evil, everyone is guilty and born criminals.

The more people advocate the law, the less they trust human morality. This is reasonable and easy to understand.

However, Xun Ke's expression did not change. He did not pay attention to the angry shouts of the Confucian scholars below the stage, but replied calmly: "Ritual, serving the heaven above, serving the earth below, respecting ancestors and honoring the king and teacher. These are the three roots of ritual. Those who follow it will be governed, and those who do not will be in chaos; those who follow it will be in darkness, and those who do not will be in danger; those who follow it will survive, and those who do not will perish. Rituals are the ultimate of human nature. However, those who do not follow rituals and are not polite are called people without manners; those who follow rituals and are polite are called scholars with manners."

Shang said again without hesitation: "I heard you say that. Human nature: when eating, one wants to have fodder; when wearing clothes, one wants to have fine embroidery; when traveling, one wants to have a carriage and horses; and one also wants to have a surplus of wealth and accumulation; but one never knows that it is not enough, year after year. When hungry, one wants to eat; when cold, one wants to be warm; when tired, one wants to rest; one likes profit and hates harm; this is what people are born with.

When discussing morality in the world today, none is better than the Mohists. However, the great Mohist leader took his disciples on a long journey. How many Mohists were left in the Xia Dynasty? If you want to see a thousand years, count today; if you want to know millions, examine one or two... Use the near to know the far, use one to know the ten thousand, and use the subtle to know the obvious.

Even the Mohists had to travel far away. How did the Confucian rites and laws compare to the Mohist doctrine of universal love and non-aggression?

Previously, the four kingdoms attacked Dayue, but Dayue was defeated, Yuzhou and Yangzhou fell, the dikes in Yuzhou burst, and millions of people died! In ancient times, people competed in Taoism, in the Middle Ages, they competed in wisdom and strategy, and now they compete in strength.

The sage does not seek to restore the past, nor does he follow the old ways. He discusses worldly affairs and prepares for them.

The customs of the past and present are different, and the preparations of the new and the old are different. If you want to govern the people in a hurry with a lenient policy, it is like trying to control a wild horse without a bridle or whip. This is the danger of ignorance. Today, both Confucianism and Mohism claim that the ancient kings loved the world and regarded the people as their parents. How do you prove that this is true? The people are naturally submissive to power, and few can cherish righteousness. Mozi was a saint in the world. He practiced and enlightened the way and traveled throughout the country. Seventy people in the country praised his benevolence and admired his righteousness and served him. It is because those who value benevolence are few, and those who can be righteous are difficult. "

People have always succumbed to power and are rarely moved by benevolence and righteousness. Mozi is a saint in the world. He is sincere, promotes Mohism, and saves the world and the people. But how many people in the world appreciate his benevolence, praise his righteousness, and are willing to serve him? It can be seen that few people value benevolence, and it is rare to find people who can practice righteousness.

At this time, even the onlookers were certain that although this guy was dressed like a Mozhe and had the skin color of a Mozhe, he was definitely not a Mozhe.

Although he also used Mohism to attack Confucianism, his examples always hit the Mohist's sore spot.

Just like what Zhuangzi said when they sat down to discuss Taoism last time, "Mozi, the world is good, what can the world do?" Shang just changed his words. He used Mohism to refer to Confucianism. Mohism's universal love must not be attacked, so why can your Confucianism's benevolence, righteousness, propriety and law work?

If the morality pursued by Mohism is the one that can be seen from the top of the mountain, then Confucianism is at least halfway up the mountain. However, the bottom of the mountain is the largest part, and that is where the real grassroots people are.

Benevolence and righteousness sound nice when spoken of, but why are there fewer and fewer Mohists?

Is it because the Mohists are too strict, or do they simply not want to be Mohists? Doesn't this mean that everyone only likes benevolence and righteousness in words, but when asked to do it, they are not moved at all!

“That’s quite interesting!”

In the stands, Gu Dan looked at Shang, who was talking so eloquently, with a slightly surprised look in his eyes.

He originally thought that Xun Ke would have no rivals in his preaching this time, but who would have thought that talented people would emerge in every generation.

Although this man looks young, he has a very deep understanding and knowledge of both Confucianism and Mohism. He even cited Xun Ke's own words to provide evidence for himself.

It is true that he is not well-known, but Xun Ke can't deny what he said himself, right?

What the Mohists did and their subsequent experiences cannot be false, right?

What happened in the Great Moon Land was also all true, right? In this way, the facts and reasoning were presented, and the conversation was no less intense than a life-and-death battle. It could be said that it was a step-by-step attack on the heart, rigorous and meticulous.

This person is not just talking nonsense, but is well prepared!

At such a young age, he has such knowledge, he is really extraordinary!

Not only Gu Dan saw Shang's talent, but Emperor Chengping on the podium also looked at Shang without blinking, as if he was looking at a treasure worth a fortune, and was filled with joy.

A glimpse of the whole picture.

Preaching, preaching, this is not just a game of playing house. The emperor of the Xia Dynasty came here in person to see everyone's real talents and knowledge.

Compared with the internal conflicts within Confucianism, it is too bland, so bland that it is boring.

But after the departure of Mohism, there was no one left who could compete with Confucianism. Even their ideas were not even a fraction of Xun Ke's, so what else could they use to compete with Confucianism? However, this young man in front of him was different.

He actually agreed with the Confucian idea that "human nature is evil", but compared with Xun Ke's idea of ​​changing nature, he felt that "benevolence and righteousness" were false things, things that only remained in people's mouths.

If benevolence and righteousness really exist in everyone, what is the point of Confucianism? Mohism has long been all over the world! From this, it can be inferred that Confucianism, which is weaker than Mohism in benevolence and righteousness, should also be left behind. What Mohism cannot do, how can Confucianism do it? You, Xun Ke, are great, do you dare to say that you are more powerful than Mozi?

Can Xun Ke accomplish what Mozi and Qin Lisheng couldn't?

Yes, one person can do it, even a small group of people can do it.

Mozi and Qin Lisheng, and even those Mohists, achieved it.

What about the people in the world?

What can I do?

Your philosophy may be correct in Confucianism, but it is wrong in the world.

This is already a blatant attack on Confucianism, no less than the dispute between Confucianism and Mohism.

It’s just that Shang is even more “shameless” because he doesn’t believe in benevolence or righteousness at all, and he just brings it up on the table.

If we remove the most core concepts of benevolence and righteousness and only look at the words "etiquette and law", then etiquette is nothing but a decoration.

Wouldn’t it be better to just be straightforward and speak directly?

Why do we have to take off our pants to fart to deduce the words benevolence and righteousness?

As he said: Today we compete with strength.

What is strength? It is force and strength! It is the master, money, people and food that are the key to a country's final victory.

The four countries now rely on the Xia Dynasty for support. Is it because the Xia Dynasty is more benevolent and righteous than the four countries?

This is true, but the reason behind this is that the Xia Dynasty had a great master in charge, and the four countries had to beg for mercy.

Any appreciation of Mozi's kindness is just a way to appease the lower-class people.

Ke Shang didn't know the secret, but he had already seen through the key.

This kid is incredible!

Emperor Chengping was overwhelmed with emotions and wished he could hold Shang's hand and have a candlelight chat at night.

It is probably impossible for him to achieve more than Wang Mang in his lifetime.

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Look at who Wang Mang's men are: Gong Shangguo, Xun Ke, and Qin Lisheng!

One was a role model for all officials in the Xia Dynasty for decades, one was a Confucian leader, and the other was a giant of the Mohist school!

What kind of people were under his command? Yes, Xun Ke was still in the Xia Dynasty, but he was an old minister of the previous dynasty. Even if he succeeded to the throne now, the achievements he made would not be counted on his head at all! Confucianism flourished during Wang Mang's reign, and it developed step by step from scratch. After that, Wang Mang naturally had a share in the achievements of Confucianism. How could he have a hand in it?

But who doesn't have ambition?

The son's achievements do not necessarily have to be inferior to his father's. In fact, the son should do his best to surpass his father. Otherwise , how can the torch be passed on? It is common sense that the disciple surpasses the master. If one generation is inferior to the previous one, it would have perished long ago! Unfortunately, there are always some outstanding talents who are far more talented than ordinary people. The peaks they have piled up make people despair at a glance. How can they surpass them? They are called rare geniuses.

The reign title Chengping actually represents his helplessness.

This kind of helplessness is the helplessness in personal achievement and has nothing to do with whether one admires the former emperor or not.

But now, Emperor Chengping saw a good seedling.

If he is trained well, he may become a talent as good as Xun Ke and Qin Lisheng!

Before he knew it, Emperor Chengping had straightened his back, and was staring at Shang with great concentration and spirit, without even blinking.

It is hard to find a wise ruler, and it is also hard to find good ministers! But he was so happy that some people were very unhappy.

"Absurd! If people have no courtesy and righteousness, they will be in chaos; if they do not know courtesy and righteousness, they will be perverse. If people have no teachers and examples, they will be biased and dangerous instead of being upright; if they have no courtesy and righteousness, they will be perverse and chaotic instead of being governed. The desire of ordinary people to do good is evil in nature! This person is misleading the people with his lies, and he actually regards human beings as animals. He is truly the evil of the world!"

A Confucian scholar had already jumped onto the podium, drew his sword, and was furious. "A beast like you who disregards the common people and rejects etiquette will be a great calamity if you remain in the world! Today I want to duel with you, regardless of life or death!"

As expected, Shang's remarks greatly angered the Confucian scholars.

This is an extremely serious provocation.

The struggle for morality is worse than life and death! Shang regarded the words benevolence and righteousness as nothing, which was like treating Confucianism as nothing. This was absolutely unbearable.

If even the core ideas can be abandoned, then what is the point of Confucianism?

If humans do not even have benevolence and righteousness, then what is the difference between them and animals?

The reason why people are human beings is because they have clothes, manners, understand the truth, have benevolence and compassion.

Without these, humans are nothing but beasts in human skin! Shang’s viewpoint ignored these and only discussed that benevolence and righteousness were not believed by the vast majority of people, and it was impossible to do what one said and what one did, so benevolence and righteousness were false, which made Confucian scholars simply unacceptable.

Not to mention that the Confucian scholars could not bear it, even if most of the Mohists had already left, otherwise they would have to come on stage and fight Shang for their lives.

We all came here to attend this grand event, but you just dismantled the stage. How can we tolerate this?

"Times will develop, and things will change. The first person who rubbed wood together to make fire thousands or tens of thousands of years ago was a saint among men. Is there anyone who still rubs wood together to make fire today? People will definitely laugh at his stupidity. Will they follow suit?

When the emperors of ancient times ruled the world, they personally held hoes and shovels to lead the people to work, which made their thighs thin and the sweat hair on their calves worn away. Even the labor of slaves was not more difficult than this. In this way, in ancient times, giving up the position of the emperor to others was just to avoid the support of a gatekeeper and get rid of the heavy labor of a slave; so passing the world to others is not worthy of praise.

Today, once a county magistrate dies, his descendants will always have fine carriages and horses, so people value them very much. Therefore, people can easily give up the emperor in ancient times, but it is difficult to give up the county magistrate today; the reason is that the actual benefits are very different. "

Shang was not afraid at all and said, "Since the Confucians can see the impracticality of the Mohists, why can't they see the situation of their own school? Isn't this a move to seek the far away instead of the near? Benevolence, righteousness, propriety, and law, just one word of law is enough, why add more embellishments, increase the loss, cover up the name and cover up the reality, and do not follow the truth!"

Good fellow! This time even Gu Dan couldn't help but exclaim in his heart, "Good fellow!"

This person is extraordinary!

This is a statement that is meant to shock people, and the author wants to overthrow Confucianism in one breath.

And he had to do this in front of Xun Ke and countless Confucian disciples!

Is it arrogance or self-confidence?

The Confucian scholar who came to the stage had already reached the limit of his patience, so how could he continue to listen to him speak at length?

The long sword drew an arc, and was about to take Shang's head.

But before it could touch Shang's hair, the sword was grasped by someone.

Shang didn't even blink, without any sign of fear, he just looked at Xun Ke with a focused expression.

He did come here today to ask for advice, to ask why Confucianism should seek the far away instead of the near.

Xun Ke could see the problems of Mohism, but he also had no idea of ​​the problems of Confucianism itself.

What is the big difference between those who ask for fifty steps and those who ask for a hundred steps? Xun Ke clearly said that "punishment is appropriate to the crime, and punishment is appropriate to the crime, otherwise there will be chaos", so why bother to bring up the matter of etiquette? Facing Shang's confusion, or more accurately, his aggressive attitude, Xun Ke simply replied: "If you despise etiquette and morality and value courage and strength, you will become a thief if you are poor and a robber if you are rich."

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