Chapter 121121 War of words & doubts
Shu Jinyue spoke very fast and her pronunciation was quite authentic, just like the translator hired by the conference organizing committee... No, she was even better than the translator. The translator was not very familiar with many medical terms, but she could speak them fluently.
Jin Yue did not miss the whispering behind him and thought: Don’t these old pufferfish understand? It’s okay if you don’t understand!
She didn’t learn foreign languages in vain for all these years! I even had several phone calls with Brian, all in English, and the phone charges were not in vain.
This foreign expert, like Brian back then, did not look down on Jin Yue because of her expertise (mainly because he didn't understand it either). The two of them chatted for almost five minutes as if no one was around. Only then did Jin Yue sit back in her seat amid everyone's shock and confusion.
As for what they talked about, it was no longer important. Her purpose had been achieved - to let the Western medicine professionals present know that she was not ignorant of clinical medicine, and in fact her clinical medicine foundation was no worse than anyone else present.
So, you want to suppress her by using the fact that she doesn't understand cells, nerves, or pharmacology? It’s better to give up this thought as soon as possible.
Of course, the effect was significant, because Jin Yue found that by the end of the course, no one criticized her background in traditional Chinese medicine anymore, and even looked at her with much friendlier eyes.
Shu Jinyue didn't know whether to laugh or cry: "..."
No one cared about my hard study for ten years, but my English skills made me stand out.
In the evening, Xu Duan estimated that she would be back after dinner, so he walked around the area with her for a while and then hurried back to the hotel. Because tomorrow is Shu Jinyue's home court, she has been preparing for this lecture for a month. The written outline she wrote is more than 20,000 words, and the information she has consulted is countless. In the past month, except for eating, sleeping and seeing patients, she has been doing this.
Xu Duan admired her tenacity very much. Receiving an invitation letter is just getting an admission ticket. The most difficult thing is whether you can actually walk onto the stage and shine on the stage.
"You see, if I don't perform well tomorrow, people will just say, look, this is how Chinese medicine is, it's not up to par."
"No one will sympathize with my failure. They will only think that Chinese medicine is useless, outdated, feudal and superstitious, and that it is just a case of beating a dog with a stick."
"So, I can't fail. I must seize this opportunity."
Xu Duan held her hand and squeezed it gently, and everything was said without words. All he could do was to pass her water, massage her shoulders, and not torment her at night so that she could get enough sleep and fight a tough battle.
The next morning, Jin Yue was full of energy. After getting up, she washed, put on makeup and changed clothes. Today's occasion was very important, so of course she had to maintain a good image. She couldn't let outsiders think that those who practice Chinese medicine are all unkempt old men and women with gray hair and beards. How could she be a young and beautiful woman in her prime!
After she had packed up, Xu Duan also bought breakfast. After they ate, they headed straight to the venue.
Except for the first day when the invitation letter was required to verify the name and unit before entering, there would be no verification from today on. Xu Duan followed Jin Yue into the venue unimpeded and found an empty seat at the back to sit down. Jin Yue clenched his fists, and a thin layer of sweat appeared on his palms.
She tried to take a deep breath, a deep breath to calm her heartbeat. Shi Xuehai started to go on stage and tapped the microphone twice, saying "Hello" twice. Unlike other experts who were introduced in the order of name, job title, research direction and achievements before taking the stage, he paused and first brought up a striking topic -
"Next, I'm going to introduce today's lecturer. I believe you may have a little doubt as to why she is here."
There was total silence in the audience.
"This expert's name is Shu Jinyue. First of all, she studied Chinese medicine. Her professional qualification and major are also in Chinese medicine. Moreover, she is only thirty years old this year... So, why did she come here to teach so many experts from all over the country?"
Those who didn't know about Shu Jinyue, the "oddball" yesterday, became unhappy when they heard about him. They had worked hard for decades but were not qualified to teach on stage. How come a Chinese medicine doctor, with such a big gap, could get promoted?
Xu Duan, like Shi Xuehai, noticed everyone's reactions and was worried about Jin Yue.
It is conceivable how these experts, with their emotions and opinions, would question and even embarrass Shu Jinyue. If she can succeed in today's lecture, then she will succeed. If not, not only will she become a laughing stock among her peers, but the opportunity for traditional Chinese medicine to perform that has been hard-earned will also be lost.
Unfortunately, Xu Duan couldn't help her with this kind of thing, and could only let her face the storm alone.
For the first time, Xu Duan felt that he was quite useless.
But he was not the type to complain about himself. After a moment's thought, he quickly walked out of the venue, found a phone and dialed a number.
Inside the venue, after Shi Xuehai's unique introduction, Shu Jinyue was already placed on the fire. Everyone looked up at her, wanting to see what she could say.
Jin Yue bowed and started to go on stage. She did not repeat her self-introduction, nor did she sit behind the prepared desk. Instead, she stood in front of the desk where everyone could see her.
"I am honored to be here to share with you my experience in treating blood diseases with the combination of Chinese and Western medicine. Everyone here is my teacher. If there is anything I said wrong, please feel free to correct me."
Her voice was neither too loud nor too low, her tone was neither humble nor arrogant, and she always had a faint smile on her face. Everyone would be attracted to her involuntarily, even if they were angry and unwilling in their hearts.
What surprised them even more was that Shu Jinyue was not at all bookish. She seldom quoted from classics, especially those obscure Chinese medical classics. She hardly quoted a single word, but used the language and vocabulary commonly used in international practice to share her experience in treating blood diseases over the past decade.
Those who questioned her yesterday were confused: "Hey, she really shared her experience. Unlike some experts, who boasted in a vague way but never said how they treated patients or the specific treatment methods, what's the difference between that and advertising?"
People around me nodded. After being in this industry for a long time, everyone knows who is really sharing useful information and who is just seeking fame. Nowadays, most experts are really generous and sincere in sharing their knowledge, but there are some exceptions.
"She didn't talk about yin and yang, the five elements, or gossip. I thought..."
"What do you think? Lao Liu, what do you think?"
Old Liu blew his beard and said, "If you don't talk about yin and yang or the five elements, what kind of Chinese medicine is this?"
Hey, this old guy is quite good at finding leverage.
Shu Jinyue naturally noticed the commotion in the audience, but she didn't care. Her mind was completely focused on the speech she had prepared for a month. She first divided the blood diseases she encountered in clinical practice into several major categories, such as red blood cell diseases, granulocyte diseases, hematopoietic stem cell diseases, and hemorrhagic thrombotic diseases, according to the internationally accepted blood disease classification method. Then, among these diseases, she would focus on the difficult and complicated diseases she encountered. For example, Sun Tieniu, the first patient she met at the epidemic prevention station that year, his initial symptoms were hypersplenism and anemia. Although on the surface it was not a blood disease, both the district hospital and the epidemic prevention station treated him as having schistosomiasis and a blood disease.
Her in-depth exploration of the causes and initial symptoms of the disease is a reflection of her personal characteristics and the characteristics of traditional Chinese medicine.
Everyone couldn't help but follow her story, become absorbed in it, and even began to think about what the patient's condition was.
There are many diseases that can cause these symptoms. Everyone went through them in their minds, but she ruled them out one by one. Everyone was immediately worried - what disease could it be?
Seeing that everyone's appetite was whetted, Shu Jinyue casually explained his diagnosis and ideas for medication, and everyone suddenly felt enlightened - it turns out that this is how it is, and it is not difficult at all.
Even in Shu Jinyue's story, this is very simple.
"But is it really that simple? Is it that the condition is simple, or is it that Chinese medicine is simple to treat?" Shi Xuehai asked the people around him in a low voice, and everyone didn't know how to answer for a moment.
Of course, the main reason is that they are unwilling to admit that this "strange disease" that Western medicine can't treat and can only send the patient away to wait for death can be cured by Chinese medicine in just a few strokes. They are unwilling to admit that they are inferior to others in terms of skills.
At this time, when everyone was in a dilemma, Jin Yue suddenly emphasized again: "If you have any questions, you can go to the relevant hospitals and units to check the original data. All the cases I described are verifiable."
They are all verifiable and not fabricated.
Everyone was silent again after hearing this. They certainly believed in the value of this sentence. After all, there was no need for a county-level hospital and epidemic prevention station in a provincial capital city to lie for a young man who was unknown at the time. Even the most sophisticated person would not plan and lie ten years in advance to pave the way for today's lecture.
But the more real the case was, the more uncomfortable they felt.
Shu Jinyue didn't care about their life or death. She continued to talk about her examples of treating aplastic anemia, favism, purpura, coagulation disorders... and so on. There were so many examples. Yamaguchi Sachiko's refractory anemia and Wang Xiaohong's postpartum hemorrhage could all be attributed to this.
Jin Yue concealed the patients' identity information and could recite their treatment processes and results almost word for word. Not only were the medical records of each visit authentic and verifiable, but the patients themselves were still alive and well and could be asked about anything.
There is no doubt that these diseases are very difficult to treat in the hematology department. In the decades of medical practice, you must have encountered unresolved cases, and some of them are even very similar to what Shu Jinyue encountered. However, some of those people have already...
No matter how arrogant a person is, he should have the right awe and regret when facing life.
Shu Jinyue was sure of this mentality. She said, "Now that only people in our industry are present, ask yourselves, don't you feel sorry for the death of these patients? Do you feel at ease and think that you have tried all methods? Why not give traditional Chinese medicine a chance, and also give patients a chance?"
Everyone was silent again.
Some people still refused to accept the answer. "But what you said is just an isolated case. Many more people suffer irreversible damage to their liver and kidneys due to taking Chinese medicine, and die faster. For example, Akebia and Stephania tetrandra contain aristolochic acid. Dr. Shu, please don't say that these two are not Chinese medicines."
Everyone looked at Jin Yue, wanting to see if she would deny it.
Jin Yue didn't say anything, but looked at the person who made the trouble, "Teacher, are you sure you are talking about Akebia and Stephania?"
"Of course I am sure. I have seen in foreign literature that these two Chinese medicines contain aristolochic acid, which is nephrotoxic and can cause renal failure and urinary system cancer. Of course, it is normal that your Chinese medicine is not in line with international standards and you don't know these advanced pharmacological studies."
Others showed an expression of admiration on their faces. It takes a lot of skill to be able to read advanced foreign information these days. Not only do you have to have the resources, but you also have to be able to understand them.
Shu Jinyue also said in his heart that this guy is quite capable. Up to now, the toxicity of aristolochic acid has not been taken seriously until after 2003 when it was taken seriously by the medical community. Now he can point out its nephrotoxicity and carcinogenicity, which is really advanced.
but--
Jin Yue smiled, "First of all, I need to correct what the teacher said. Akebia and Stephania do not contain aristolochic acid, because this involves the species of Chinese medicinal materials. The ones that really contain aristolochic acid should be Akebia and Stephania."
"Humph, what's the difference? Aren't they the same medicine from different places of origin?"
Shu Jinyue laughed again, "Please note that Acanthopanax is Acanthopanax, and Akebia is Akebia. They are not even the same plant. The same is true for Radix Stephaniae and Radix Stephaniae... Of course, if I want to discuss it in detail, I will need at least half an hour to discuss it with you. Due to limited time, I will not go into details. If you are interested, you can go to the library and find a book on medicinal botany to read."
She just wouldn't explain!
The strong need no explanation!
This made the expert blush and feel angry. She was too lazy to explain and just told him to read the book by himself. What's the difference between this and directly scolding him to "read more books if he has nothing to do"?
But his red face and thick neck only lasted for three seconds, because Jin Yue quickly sneered, "Your misunderstanding of Chinese medicine has also given me a misunderstanding. Doesn't Western medicine hurt the liver and kidneys and have no side effects?"
How could anyone dare to say "yes"? Today's drug toxicology research is still very backward. Many of the well-known toxic side effects in later generations are unknown to everyone, but that doesn't mean they don't feel them. Especially many drugs used in the hematology department, while taking them, the patient's transaminase level inexplicably rises, then decreases after stopping the drug, and then increases again when taking it again. What does this indicate?
The air can't be poisonous!
"As far as I know, dozens of Western medicines such as isoniazid, erythromycin, and acetaminophen are also hepatotoxic; many antibiotics such as gentamicin and chloramphenicol are also nephrotoxic; many anti-epileptic drugs can also cause renal dysfunction; ribavirin and warfarin can even cause fetal malformations... How come officials are allowed to set fires but ordinary people are not allowed to light lamps?"
The expert's face turned green.
He originally wanted to rely on the advanced pharmacology knowledge in his head to slap this young person in the face and step on her to get to the top, but now? How come Western medicine has more side effects?
It would be fine if she was talking nonsense, he could argue with her, turn defeat into victory, and finally judge her from the moral high ground... But she didn't do that, everything she said was true!
The evidence is irrefutable and there is nothing to say. These are the side effects of drugs that have attracted attention and gained consensus.
Jin Yue didn't even let him go, and continued: "Moreover, as far as I know, in clinical practice, we Chinese medicine practitioners use more non-toxic Akebia and Stephania tetrandra, rather than the toxic Adenophora australis and Stephania fangji. The latter two are used very rarely and can basically be ignored. If teachers have any doubts about this, they can randomly select Chinese medicine prescriptions for statistics. The latter two are very niche drugs."
She paused. "But the Western medicines I just listed are widely used in clinical practice. Probably speaking, the more people use them and the more often they use them, the more 'victims' will be harmed by the side effects, right?"
Traditional Chinese medicine will be caught and pursued relentlessly if it makes the slightest "mistake", while Western medicine has made enough mistakes to fill several life and death books, yet no one cares.
I don’t know who hyped up the concept that “Chinese herbal medicine harms the liver and kidneys”.
Anyway, if we infer that "whoever benefits more is the instigator", anyone with eyes will know it.
Everyone was speechless. Yes, who has worked in clinical practice has not prescribed these medicines? It’s open almost every day!
This "Chinese medicine practitioner" before them actually knew all about the theories of clinical medicine, and was also aware of the most advanced pharmacological research progress of our time, and...it was not until this moment that everyone realized that she didn't even have a manuscript or any piece of paper in her hands! She lectured for such a long time and spoke completely without a script!
Everyone was silent again, but this time they were convinced and could not refute.
If I had to pick out a mistake, it would be...
"This young girl is too aggressive. How can she be so disrespectful to her seniors?"
Even Shi Xuehai, an expert in Western medicine, felt embarrassed after hearing this. "Why, you can't win the argument by reasoning, so you start using the fact that I'm a girl and young to make trouble?"
"Aren't you taking advantage of your age?"
The man was so embarrassed that his face turned red and he couldn't stand it. It was really too humiliating. If he was facing a group of young people, it would be fine because no one dared to refute him. But everyone present was the same as him, and many were even older than him, but they didn't say anything. How could he have the right to take advantage of his age?
Shu Jinyue tried to hold back his laughter. Shi Xuehai was quite interesting.
She thought that she had deliberately made a scene today and ruined his plans, and he would be angry, but he ended up speaking for her.
Oh no, at this time, there is no need to help her. Just standing in the position of an impartial third party is already "helping" her and "helping" Chinese medicine.
However, Shi Xuehai also had a certain ability to respond on the spot. He quickly and naturally took over the conversation, "Let's get back to the topic. Dr. Shu's 'trump card' has not yet come out. Let's give Dr. Shu the warmest applause and invite her to continue sharing her experience, okay?"
There was immediate applause in the venue.
Shu Jinyue then put away his edge and said, "If you respect me one inch, I will respect you ten feet." He was just being aggressive because he was forced to by those people.
"In addition to the above diseases, I also have some experience in using traditional Chinese medicine to treat chronic myeloid leukemia that I would like to share with you..." blah blah, she talked about Xu Wenli's case again.
The venue was very quiet, with only her voice. Even without a microphone, the students sitting in the back could hear it.
In fact, Shi Xuehai and his colleagues have done a lot of research on Qinghuangsan for treating leukemia in recent years. It has become a known "secret" in the industry. The project has even received support from many departments. People who work on blood diseases know something about it. But what no one expected was that the first person to use this method was Shu Jinyue, the young female Chinese medicine practitioner in front of them.
Knowing about its ridiculously high efficiency is one thing, but seeing the real "inventor" is another.
Someone said with emotion: "Last year, a patient in our department heard that Haicheng was doing this research and volunteered to go to Haicheng. I met him in the park in my hometown last month and he was in good condition."
"Have you seen the results of his reexamination?"
"I saw it, it's good."
Others also had their own patients serving as test subjects, and they echoed, "I can testify to this, I have a patient who also took this and was brought under control."
This is the platform that this group of experts led by Shi Xuehai can provide for traditional Chinese medicine. If Shu Jinyue wanted to promote Qinghuangsan based on her own ability, it would probably take less than three days for someone to report her for murder and the Health Bureau and the Public Security Bureau would come to talk to her.
She is very lucky to have such a friend who is both her teacher and friend.
Just as I was thinking about it, when everyone was discussing it heatedly, a leisurely voice suddenly came from the corner: "Excuse me, Wang, for being frank, but what Dr. Shu is talking about now is something from the past, a special case ten years ago. Can I understand that you just found a prescription by chance, and by chance, you cured a few patients?"
Shu Jinyue then discovered that there was an old man sitting in the corner of the third row from the back, against the wall.
The old man didn't say much from beginning to end, and he wasn't as excited as the others, so Jin Yue didn't notice him.
Shi Xuehai said softly to Jin Yue, "This is Lao Wang from Shanhe Province. He has also cured a case of CML before."
"But it's still unclear whether it can be considered a cure, because the patient he treated did show significant improvement in symptoms, and his blood count returned to normal. People outside were saying he could cure leukemia, but... the patient died in a car accident one month before his third year after being diagnosed."
There is no doubt that the patient died in a car accident, but it is hard to say whether this can be considered as a cure.
"Later, several rebels in their hospital used this incident to put a hat on him." After all, during the two years that the patient was alive, he promoted his medical skills everywhere and offended many people. A tall tree attracts the wind.
"He was sent down for more than three years. After he came back, his personality became extremely strange and he was not very sociable..."
Shi Xuehai hadn't finished talking like a machine gun when Lao Wang continued in a veiled tone, "Besides, these are what Dr. Shu said himself. We didn't see the process of your treatment with our own eyes. Who knows if you added any Western medicine ingredients to your so-called Qinghuangsan? It's just like secretly adding sildenafil to those Chinese herbal medicines that claim to be kidney-tonifying and aphrodisiac. They are just disguised as Chinese medicine, but the actual effect is still Western medicine."
When everyone heard this, they realized it was true. Counterfeiting of traditional Chinese medicine is so “simple” nowadays, so this possibility cannot be ruled out.
Shu Jinyue originally thought that today's shock was over and he had already been in the spotlight enough, but who knew that there were still people who were not convinced and wanted to find fault.
It is not scary to find faults. What is most scary is the kind of criticisms that are well-founded and can shake people's hearts.
Shu Jinyue naturally couldn't let him mess up and ruin what he had prepared for so long. "Teacher, if you find these real and verifiable data unreliable, then please tell us, what should I do so that you can believe that Chinese medicine is indeed effective in treating blood diseases?"
The man didn't expect her to respond so quickly, and was a little stunned. "Of course, seeing is believing."
Jin Yue didn't say anything and waited to see how the other party would verify the facts.
"In that case, I suggest that since we are all here, let's have a competition. Pick a patient with blood disease at random and let's see whether Western medicine or traditional Chinese medicine is more effective. Do you dare?"
Shu Jinyue smiled faintly. What was there for her to be afraid of? Since they wanted to fight, then let's fight on the spot!
"This..." Shi Xuehai was a little hesitant. He was not afraid that Jin Yue would mess up, nor did he want to protect his side. As a clinical doctor with many years of experience, his first reaction must be to make the decision that is most beneficial to the patient at all times.
"It's not a good idea to try two treatments on the same patient at the same time or in a short period of time. I'm afraid it will cause damage to the patient other than the disease itself. How about we select one difficult case that has no obvious effect of Western medicine from all the blood disease patients currently in the hospital and use Chinese medicine to treat it?"
"That makes sense, that's true. This way the patient won't suffer any loss."
Someone even suggested: "In order to ensure fairness and impartiality, those of us present here should pick out the most difficult case in our department that has not responded to long-term treatment, write it down on a piece of paper, and then go outside and find someone to draw the winner. After the winner is drawn, ask the patient for his or her opinion. If they are willing, we can compete on the spot tomorrow." As for the patient's round-trip travel, food and accommodation expenses, they will be borne by everyone.
Shu Jinyue had no objection, she was even a little eager to try it.
but--
"Wait a moment. I am willing to compete with you, but shouldn't we give some prizes? Otherwise, what's the point of making such a big fuss and making the patient travel so long?"
"That's right. For any patient who is willing to come, in addition to covering the travel, food and lodging expenses for the patient and his or her family, we will also provide an additional 300 yuan cash subsidy. How about that?"
Since we're all here to watch the fun, let's all contribute. With so many people here, raising 300 yuan through crowdfunding is just like plucking a hair.
Jin Yue smiled and looked at the person who questioned her: "Teacher, since we want to make a bet, let's make it clear first. If I lose, I, Shu Jin Yue, will no longer work in the traditional Chinese medicine industry and will voluntarily withdraw from the medical field. If you lose..."
Everyone looked at the old man and thought that Old Wang was really "lucky". If he lost, he would quit the medical profession, but he was about to retire anyway, so wasn't this "punishment" exactly what he wanted?
It’s a good deal for him!
So cunning!
Old Wang is really stubborn. Seeing everyone's "you are not kind" looks, he rushed up in anger: "If I lose, not only will I quit the medical profession, I will also give you my seat in the Blood Disease Prevention and Treatment Association, I will cover all the expenses of the patient and his family, and I will also publish an apology statement in at least three provincial newspapers, admitting my arrogance and ignorance towards traditional Chinese medicine. What do you think? Do you dare?"
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