Chapter 11: Extra Post-Life Post-BBS 3
[Breaking News] Filming has begun on the new Xianzong Dynasty drama "The Wind Rises in Daming"! Supported by the original novel IP! Veteran actors join the cast!
LZ: Filming has started! Let's discuss our expectations for the new drama!
Main characters: Zhu Yuhuan/Zhu Zhanji/Hu Shanxiang/Zhu Di/…
Genre: Legend/History/Costume
Plot Summary: This article will take the life of Emperor Mingzong Zhu Yuhuan as the main plot, interweaving major historical events and historical figures from various periods of the Ming Dynasty, analyzing in detail the fundamental problems of the Ming Dynasty, and introducing the political environment and social customs of the mid-Ming Dynasty...
Episodes: 81
1L: Big IP + old actor's promotion, I only see two words, "bad drama"
2L: There is no need to be so pessimistic. The investment is bigger now, and the quality of the scenery and props will be better. I think we can still look forward to first-hand products.
3L: How long has it been since you last paid attention to the current state of domestic film and television dramas? Can the current domestic film and television environment still produce good dramas?
4L: Don’t be too optimistic. There are still some good dramas. It just depends on the subject matter. Anyway, costume dramas are basically ruined now.
5L: I agree with the above. Similar themes have appeared over the years, but the best dramas about the reign of Emperor Xianzong are still "Emperor Xianzong" and "Daming 1447". The former detailed the spiritual core of Zhu Yuhuan, and the latter portrayed the political situation of the Ming Dynasty at that time and the subsequent reforms. In contrast, the names of current TV dramas are getting more and more awesome, but the scale is getting smaller and smaller.
6L: +1. What was the name of that drama shot a few years ago? It was also about the reign of Emperor Xianzong, called "XX Legend." I still don't understand why they included a love scene for Emperor Xianzong. Do screenwriters these days just not know how to write a script if they don't include love scenes? Most importantly, is it possible that Zhu Yuhuan never got married in history?
7L: You upstairs... My memory of dying has returned...
8L: There is no other way. If I can’t write a suitable growth line, I can only write some emotional lines to enrich the plot. The result is that the screenwriter’s shallowness is revealed.
9L: If the screenwriter has actually read the Ming Shilu, they wouldn't be able to write such a stupid plot. Is this still Xianzong? Whose OC is this?
10L: Xianzong already had a lot of inexplicable black fans. After this drama came out, Xianzong really became a heinous person. What was the screenwriter thinking? He wrote a wise and powerful emperor into a white lotus who was both a traitor and a villain.
11L: Zhu Yuhuan: I have been honest, please let me go
12L: I can’t write a plot like this without a 10-year brain thrombosis.
13L: We should analyze each issue specifically. Isn't it good that someone is willing to film with Ming Dynasty? Didn't Zhu Yuhuan also say, "Crying day and night, can you make Dong Zetian die?" Ming Dynasty fans should spend their time mourning. It's better to face the criticism directly and increase the output first.
14L: Our Huanhuan is a baby who loves to watch "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" [heart]
15L: To be honest, the specific content of this filing is very ominous, full of false and empty words, and the plot summary feels like it was written by AI.
16L: Indeed, before filming, check whether AI is used. There are already enough TV dramas with fake people, and it is even more excessive to involve history.
17L: And why did my heroine become a camera? Look in my eyes!
18L: Can Xianzong also be called the heroine?
19L: Did you take junior high history? She can write a paragraph in history textbooks, but she can't be called a heroine?
20L: So what? Zhu Yuanzhang also has a paragraph in the history textbook, but he was still scolded by his grandson and granddaughter's fans as a feudal patriarch.
The reply from the other post: Then again, isn’t Lao Zhu a feudal patriarch?
Reply: I can’t care less about that, I’ll just praise Lao Zhu first!!
21L: Zhu Yuhuan can also be called the heroine, which is hilarious. She didn't let her own child become the emperor, but let Zhu Qizhen's son become the emperor. At best, she is just a housekeeper!
22L: ...No, I thought it was already a consensus that Zhu Yuhuan never married and had no children. Are there still people who believe the rumors in "Puyuan Miscellaneous Records"? Zhu Youhuan really wasn't her father! Zhu Youhuan was born in 1465, when Zhu Yuhuan was 45 years old. Even if he hadn't gone through menopause, he wouldn't have given birth at such an old age and still have the child be recorded under Zhu Jianshen's name! How can someone who says this be a fan of Zhu Yuhuan? It's obvious that they want to spread dirty rumors about him!
23L: 21L It’s obvious that you love Zhu Yuhuan but can’t get him back, and because of that you’ve turned your love into hatred. Tell me now that you are Zhu Qizhen!
24L: It’s a classic example of a woman scolding another woman by starting with insulting words. Besides, it’s 2025, why are there still people who cannot face up to the hard work of housewives?
25L: How dare the guy above say that? He's asking for his life! If they attack us soon, we'll run away first!
26L: It makes me laugh to death. I love to watch fights, and the more violent the fights, the better!
27L: It was originally a political need to let Zhu Qizhen's son become emperor. Under the circumstances at that time, there was no condition for Zhu Yuhuan to share the spoils. She played a little trick and called herself "the son of Emperor Xuanzong Zhang", making it clear that she did not intend to marry and have children. She also adopted the eldest son Zhu Jianshen. Everyone turned a blind eye and understood it tacitly. How come some people still think that Zhu Yuhuan's "son" status was legitimate at that time? If the Ming Dynasty generally recognized this at that time, Zhu Zhanji would not have wanted a son so much. He knew better than anyone that Zhu Yuhuan was very capable, right? Daughters were included in the inheritance system only after Zhu Yuhuan. Zhu Yuhuan tried his best to promote this, so there is no need to blame him (if you are not a Ming fan, Zhu Zhanji fan, Zhu Yuhuan fan, you are right if you argue)
28L: The thick armor upstairs
29L: Isn't 21L just that typical of her thinking? She labels others as the heroine or the beloved daughter, and then once they don't meet her expectations, she calls them humiliating. Okay, I declare you the most sober person. You have a thorough understanding of everything in the world, you know everything, you always come up with the most precise and accurate insights, you understand people's hearts very clearly, you can accurately grasp everyone's relationships, and you understand all the niche things that are right in the world...
30L: This is also related to the promotion of Huanfan. Who makes them shout "The Chosen Heroine" every day?
31L: Nonsense, that's cross-dressing, right? The term "female protagonist" is no longer a good word, we don't touch it
32L: I’m dying of laughter. You guys have finished saying everything positive and negative.
33L: It's really hard to say right now. One reason is that the characterization of many characters has stigmatized the term, and another is that many people's demands have made the heroine something unclear. For example, some people think that a heroine must be ruthless and calculating. If she shows even a little kindness or makes a few mistakes, she's no longer a heroine. In short, perfection is the only way to be a heroine, and who would dare to aspire to be that?
34L: The OP started to cry. He originally came to promote the new drama and gained popularity, but ended up being a Ming fan arguing with him.
35L: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
36L: Shi Tongnu attacks!
37L: Isn't the most classic film adaptation still the 1991 film "Xin Ming Zong" mentioned in the previous row? With such well-developed characters in old dramas, I really don't think there's any need to remake them. Just look at what kind of crap has been made since the turn of the millennium...
38L: I support this drama! This is my favorite drama! The costumes, makeup, and plot are all beautiful, and the actors’ acting skills are superb!
39L: This is the real thread that connects the Ming Dynasty with Zhu Yuhuan's life, but it still highlights Zhu Yuhuan's personality charm as the central figure.
40L: Yes, and the supporting characters are also well-portrayed! Who understands how stunned I was when I first saw Hu Shanxiang as a child? With that carefree scarf, she looked so ethereal! It's because Hu Shanxiang was so beautiful that I've never understood Zhu Zhanji...
41L: There is no way. In history, Zhu Zhanji was a childhood sweetheart. Even if Hu Shanxiang was a fairy, he would not like her. Not to mention that Hu Shanxiang was unwilling to kowtow to Zhu Zhanji. People like Zhu Zhanji only like to follow his will. Didn’t you see Chen Zuo and Dai Lun who tried to persuade him? They even lost their lives.
42L: Forget it, Hu Shanxiang doesn’t care about Zhu Zhanji’s favor, it’s too cheap, she has seen through it a long time ago, so she just works diligently
43L: Hu Shanxiang has been smeared for years. She was a legitimate and virtuous queen taking care of the harem, yet they insist she's possessed by a wicked mind. Come on, Empress Dowager Zhang only dared to punish Concubine Guo after Zhu Gaochi's death. Did you want a powerless woman like Hu Shanxiang to murder everyone? And she's "always sullen and disliked." I even said Zhu Zhanji was always sullen with Hu Shanxiang, so Hu Shanxiang must have been a swordsman to like him. If she didn't work hard and was drained by the royal family, she'd end up being killed by them, right?
44L: I read a novel in which a person traveled through time and space to become Hu Shanxiang, gave birth to a son, and poisoned Zhu Zhanji.
45L: The person above should uninstall the tomato software as soon as possible.
46L: This situation could never happen in the Ming Dynasty palace. Formal meals had female officials and palace maids tasting the food. The daily notes didn't record it, but the palace etiquette was recorded. A palace maid in the Ming Dynasty once published a book describing how she served the imperial concubine. Normal people would feel depressed after reading it... Moreover, the palace discipline was very strict. When Zhu Yuhuan was a child, he made some small toys by himself and transported some copper, but he was called over by Zhu Gaochi and taught a lesson, not to mention trying to make poison. Of course, if the female protagonist doesn't care about the lives of others, then ignore what I said.
47L: The above person is too naive. If you want to talk about something serious, the other party will say to you, "This is a novel, why are you so fussy?"
48L: I also read a book about a person who traveled through time and space and became Hu Shanxiang. After Zhu Zhanji died, he did not allow Concubine Sun to become the Holy Mother Empress Dowager.
49L: Anyone who's read a bit of Ming Dynasty history knows that's impossible. While Zhu Qizhen and Concubine Sun didn't have a close mother-son relationship, he wasn't so foolish as to put his own mother in a lower position. Wouldn't that put himself in a lower position as well? Those ministers couldn't even stop Zhu Qizhen from personally leading the army, so how could they stop him from enthroning his own mother? They really don't treat the emperor as a human being. Are they a son-in-law?
50L: How come you have all these secondary creations?
51L: It’s all Ming fans’ fault
52L: It’s all Ming fans’ fault
53L: It’s all Ming fans’ fault
54L: Why are all the blame on Ming fans? What did Ming fans do to offend anyone?
55L: I'm just kidding. It's mainly because the Ming Dynasty is too close to the modern era, and there are a lot of historical materials. In addition, during this period, technology developed rapidly and capitalism sprouted, so some crazy people started to praise it without thinking, and those who disliked it mocked "it's all the fault of Ming fans". At first, it was considered derogatory, but some Ming fans would say "it's all the fault of Ming fans" when they gave up the line. Later, it gradually evolved into the source of all mistakes. For example, if someone asked why they had to adjust their leave, someone would answer: it's all the fault of Ming fans.
56L: Died of laughter
57L: Actually, there are still some unrefined aspects of this drama. For example, when Hu Shanxiang was still the Crown Princess and the Crown Princess, it was impossible for her to wear the Xiaoyao scarf. At that time, her immediate superior, Empress Dowager Zhang, was always there. Although she seemed to be very good to Hu Shanxiang and her daughter, she was also one of the people who oppressed Hu and Sun.
58L: LS+1. Empress Dowager Zhang's teaching of Zhu Yuhuan and her oppression of Hu Shanxiang and Sun Guifei are not contradictory. Zhu Yuhuan is her granddaughter after all, but Hu Shanxiang and Sun Guifei are outsiders in her eyes. Sun Guifei gave birth to a son not only for herself, but also to continue the descendants of the Zhu family. As a result, she suffered from postpartum illness. Empress Dowager Zhang did not show much concern for Sun Guifei. "Six Dynasties Palace Poems" also includes Sun Guifei's poems and essays. Judging from the content and time of her writings, it can be confirmed that she had been depressed for a long time.
59L: Feudal oppression and persecution kill people.
60L: So I say that Ming Xian Zong is well made. I feel that this drama has objectively shown the female politics in the palace and the oppression of women by feudalism. Moreover, it uses historical materials very cleverly.
61L: It’s good enough for TV drama writers these days to have read some historical materials. No wonder people don’t like watching historical dramas anymore…
62L: The drama “The Legend of the Female Doctor of Ming Dynasty” shot two years ago is also very good. The heroine is an ordinary person, but it is interspersed with real history, and the heroine’s growth line is also very interesting.
63L: When you know that the prototype of the heroine is Xu Wangzhi, you will also like her
64L: In this era of romantic dramas, it is rare to see a TV series with a female group portrait without a love line. It is so touching.
65L: Because Xu Wangzhi never got married in history, and his medical skills were passed down to his students and nephews and nieces (the housekeeper added another member (?
66L: I am a housekeeper and I really live in Bengbu. When will reproductive cancer let us women go?
67L: And this drama has some subtle yuri elements... (with a tinge of guilt)
68L: Although I am not a lesbian, the prototype of the heroine's friend surnamed Zhu in the play is indeed obviously a lesbian.
69L: I don’t support it either, but historical records show that they had a very good relationship, not to mention unofficial records. For details, please see the Korean unofficial history "Tong Zan Lu"
70L: There are too many homosexuals in the Ming Dynasty. I suggest Kongtong be renamed Kongming.
71L: Prime Minister:?
72L: If we want to film Zhu Yuhuan, the most important thing is to film her emotional scenes with her relatives and friends. I feel that Zhu Yuhuan's strong personality mainly comes from her mother and sister, and perhaps also partly from her experience with Zhu Di.
73L: Correct answer above
74L: But Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Di didn't spend much time together, right? And since Zhu Yuhuan was very young, how much influence could she have received?
75L: The main reason is that Xianzong had a very good memory, which was amazing. Many dialogue records in "Yuan Guang Diary" can prove this. However, I have a different feeling about this experience. That is, this experience made Zhu Yuhuan realize that she was used as a tool to please Zhu Di by her father Zhu Zhanji, which made her mature much earlier than her peers and gave up on the entire patriarchal society very early. This may be one of the reasons why she was unwilling to get married.
76L: It’s also because of her mother and sister. Does anyone deny that Zhu Yuhuan is a mama’s girl and a sister complex?
77L: I know a guy named Lelouch, he said he is very familiar with this plot
78L: Why do you Shi Tong watch everything?
79L: Zhu·The Emperor of Ming Dynasty·Yu·The Brain·Huan: Who else has any opinions?
80L: Because of this, I have never really liked Zhu Yuhuan. Sometimes I feel that she is really not very human. She lives like an AI, just to achieve her own goals accurately. She is cold-blooded and selfish.
81L: Have you read the book "The Biography of Zhu Yuhuan" written by a modern historian? It feels very similar to what I described above. It is actually normal for an emperor to be cold-blooded and selfish.
82L: ??? I've always seen people criticize Xianzong for being indecisive, but this is the first time I've seen someone call her cold-hearted, cold-blooded, and selfish... But anyone who has read "Yuan Guang's Daily Notes" wouldn't say that. The daily notes often record conversations between Zhu Yuhuan and his trusted ministers, "just playful banter." Moreover, throughout the entire 302 years of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuhuan was the emperor who interacted most closely with the people. If her descendants could share her deep understanding of the hardships of life, the Ming Dynasty might have lasted a few more years.
83L: Zhu Yuhuan: I hope you will find me gentle and amiable when you are my brother
84L: Live in Bengbu
85L: Did 83L kick Zhu Qiyu out of the ranks of Zhu Yuhuan's brothers? Not only did Zhu Qiyu not die, he even went to a good place like Luoyang to be a vassal. Haven't you read history or watched TV dramas?
86L: She is so nice to Zhu Qiyu, but she is afraid of being scolded by others
87L: Isn’t her writing of the daily notes just to monopolize her own right of interpretation? Isn’t it another kind of wordless monument?
88L: You're still dissatisfied with the abundance of historical materials? According to you, the emperors monopolized the right to interpret so many historical books. Emperors of every dynasty have come out to explain in detail why they compiled history. It's baffling. Male emperors forbade others from commenting on themselves, which was a sign of the emperor's dominance, while female emperors forbade others from commenting on themselves, which was a sign of selective commentary. It's well known that commentary on the emperor never completely disappeared simply because the emperor forbad it.
89L: History should be read dialectically. If you blindly praise or criticize, you should reflect on yourself.
90L: Reflection on the strange roll
91L: I’m convinced by the above post hahahahahahahahahaha
92L: People really laugh when they are speechless. Dialectics has become extinct on the Internet.
93L: The TV station filmed a documentary before, I think it was called "Great Food", which talked about the development of farming since ancient times. It mentioned that Zhu Yuhuan strongly supported the development of agriculture, which indirectly promoted the development of modern agriculture in Pengzhou, the Central Plains as well, and Zhu Qiyu also contributed to it. It can be seen that Zhu Yuhuan did not regard Zhu Qiyu as a "strong claim" at all. Can some people stop fantasizing?
94L: Someone soon came out and said that as long as Zhu Qiyu raised the banner of rebellion, the fifteen provincial governors and various provincial governors would immediately respond actively and overthrow the female emperor Zhu Yuhuan in a matter of minutes.
95L: I think I saw this book on some website. It was so shocking. I couldn’t stand it after reading ten chapters.
96L: It’s just the fantasy of the little fairy boy before his death
97L: No, you’re trying to kill yourself upstairs…
98L: Wang Yue/Shi Heng/Liu Yongcheng: Is it possible that I am still alive?
99L: Although Wang Yue was promoted and trained by Zhu Yuhuan, as long as a man named Zhu jumped out to rebel, Wang Yue fell in love with him completely. He has watched too many male-themed movies.
100L: Anyway, any man with the surname Zhu can overthrow Zhu Yuhuan. I can’t stand it…
101L: This building is getting more and more crooked
102L: A serious TV series wouldn’t have such outrageous plots, they would probably be more respectful of history.
103L: Hard to say
104L: That TV series about Zhu Zhanji was called XX Fenghua. Zhu Zhanji was portrayed as very handsome.
105L: Let me show you how to dispel the evil spirit of Yu Zhen. Are you afraid of loving him? [朱湛纪.jpg]
106L: The person above is so cruel, the actor and the real person are two completely different people.
107L: I don't understand why the emperor has to be made so good-looking. Just find someone with dignity. I feel like they have cultivated a group of so-called beauty fans and made the circle a mess.
108L: This has to mention the costumes and makeup of "Xian Ming Zong". The makeup artist's aesthetics are really online. The actors are a majestic beauty after putting on makeup. Add to that the plot and acting skills, and read the historical materials. I instantly understand why so many people followed Zhu Yuhuan. Your Majesty, I also want to follow you.
109L: It was our Huan Huan who turned the tide and initiated the rejuvenation of China. This evaluation is already very high.
110L: In comparison, Feng Hua is a bit inferior. Although it has contributed to some famous scenes in recent film and television adaptations, the script is really flawed...
111L: This drama really smears Hu Shanxiang... It's so confusing. Where did the radio and television authorities go when they should have been in charge?
112L: It's just the victim-blaming theory. The screenwriters said that Hu Shanxiang was not liked by Zhu Zhanji and once wanted to depose her. Hu Shanxiang must have done something to offend Zhu Zhanji. The most outrageous thing is that netizens believed it. I envy them for being born with foot binding in their minds. They definitely don't need to wear hats in winter.
113L:6
114L: Anyway, it’s a woman’s fault if she doesn’t kneel down and lick the emperor’s ass. It’s a grave mistake not to kneel down and lick the emperor’s ass after having a child. What do you mean by being a woman is so hard? I’ve even seen people say why Zhu Yuhuan didn’t kneel down and lick Zhu Gaochi and Zhu Zhanji, and be the apple of the eye of the men in the Zhu family, turning them all into daughter slaves. I’m so disgusted, isn’t it disgusting… In ancient times, women had to kneel down because they had no choice. If they finally met someone who didn’t want to kneel down, they would be forced to kneel down by modern people. Who really loves to kneel down? Hu Shanxiang would shout “You are the ancient person” after seeing this.
115L: This kind of person is sick, right? If he really can't help, he should be treated.
116L: Xianzong, who has practiced both civil and military arts since childhood, is already very inspiring. He improved his strength just to avoid kneeling, but modern people force others to kneel.
117L: Ancient people would think about what to eat and drink the next day after engaging in feudalism for a while. Of course, they were not like modern people who can eat and drink their fill by lying on the sacrifices of their ancestors and engage in feudalism 24 hours a day.
118L: The truth above...
119L: If I were to film a TV series, I would actually prefer to film more of Huanhuan from Zhengtong to Yuanguang. I feel that this period was a relatively relaxed and glorious time for her. The highlights of her life, such as the expedition to Luchuan, the reform of the native system, returning to Beijing to quell the rebellion, ascending the throne, and the civil engineering military exercises, were all during this period. In the early period, except for the time when Zhu Di was around, she was very tense most of the time, and felt that her life was very hard.
120L: I want to see the ancestral worship in Nanjing, with flowers flying all over the city to say farewell, how high-spirited and vigorous it is. I want to see the proud Xiao Huan!!!
121L: On the contrary, I think she was more depressed in the later period. Zhu Yuhuan paid more attention to long-term development in his work. For example, some people opposed the policy of changing the native system to the official system at that time because it required the army to continue to be stationed in Yunnan, which was a huge consumption. But history has proved that the policy was correct. Similar policies include overseas trade, attacking Kyushu, etc. Xu Wangzhi's niece's family has some letters of Xu Wangzhi. One of the letters has a handwriting very similar to Zhu Yuhuan's. It is a poem, "The jasper flows in front of Po'e Mountain, and the poet stays in the Mulan boat in the distance. The spring breeze has infinite Xiaoxiang meaning, and I am unable to pick apple blossoms." It can be seen that she still misses the past when she could travel freely and experience the people's livelihood.
122L: People are really bored when they are idle. When they are ordinary people, they yearn for fame, wealth and honor. When they are emperors, they yearn for leisure and tranquility.
123L: There is no need to say so above. Zhu Yuhuan had a strong sense of responsibility as an emperor, and it was different from the traditional emperor's sense of responsibility. Generally, the emperor's sense of responsibility was the continuation of the imperial power and the ancestral country, with the focus on the royal family. However, Zhu Yuhuan still had the idea of "people as the foundation", which has been elaborated in many papers on CNKI.
124L: I recommend "A Brief Analysis of the Shift of Female Politics from the Palace to the Imperial Court in the Mid-Ming Dynasty - Taking Jizhuang King Zhu Youtong as an Example", "A Historical Study of Female Court Art in the Ming Dynasty", "A Study of Female Politics during the Yuanguang Period of the Ming Dynasty", and "Related Research on the Female Prime Minister Song Cuilian". All of them mention Zhu Yuhuan to some extent, which is helpful for modern people to understand her thoughts in detail. If you want to read something more like a novel, you can read "The Female Emperor of the Ming Dynasty", which expounds the thoughts of the five female emperors Zhu Yuhuan, Zhu Youhuan, Zhu Houshuo, Zhu Yiming, and Zhu Cizhao in a humorous way, but it is very close to history and is also a must-read book. By comparison, you can better understand why so many people mourned and worshipped Zhu Yuhuan in the late Ming Dynasty. There was also a book "The Biography of Zhu Yuhuan, the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty" earlier, which described Zhu Yuhuan as relatively dark and was highly respected in the past. However, after Han Guilan's tomb was discovered, many physical historical materials in it overturned the conclusions of "The Biography of Zhu Yuhuan, the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty", especially about Zhu Yuhuan's personality. There are many new discoveries through the remaining letter fragments.
125L: Book list mark! I also recommend "A Study of the Yuanxi Women's Poetry Society." It tells the story of the rise and development of women's poetry and literary societies in Jiangnan during this period. The writing is light-hearted and humorous, and it's a great read! (P.S. Yuanxi refers to Yuan Guangxizai~)
126L: I hope the screenwriter of this drama can come and take a look at this post... As the saying goes, "the most perfect man has no self, the divine man has no merit, and the sage has no name." Xianzong was a very good person, a monarch, and even a mother. Who can understand the value of this rare wise monarch who did not suffer from plague in his later years?
127L: I personally think that she is more mature in her mentality. She is old at a young age and has skipped the stage of the epidemic. I feel that living a few more years will not affect her ability to govern.
128L: If Zhu Di had lived a few more years, I feel Zhu Yuhuan could have lived a few more years. In history, she lived until her eldest granddaughter Zhu Youhuan gave birth to a child before she died. This was probably because she was considering whether she would have an heir.
129L: If Zhu Di had lived a few more years, Zhu Gaochi would probably have lived a few more years too. For details, please see Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Jianshen.
130L: Raw Grass
131L: Actually, Zhu Jianshen's health was not very good to begin with. In addition, Zhu Yuhuan did everything himself and did not forget to take him with him. His energy consumption was very high. And didn't the palace pulse records record that Zhu Jianshen took DP?
132L: Huh? ?
133L: I have been wanting to say this since a while ago, why has no one mentioned the fact that Zhu Yuhuan poisoned Zhu Jianshen?
134L: Huh? ???
135L: What kind of poison? At that time, black incense was used as an analgesic, just like cinnabar. Do you know that all medicines are poisonous?
136L: Zhu Yuhuan and Xu Wangzhi have been dealing with each other for so many years, how could he not know that black incense is poisonous? Who would believe it if I told him that?
137L: The problem is that Zhu Jianshen will die of pain if he doesn't use Wuxiang, isn't Zhu Yuhuan just concerned about the child... I have never understood why some people are so keen on conspiracy theories. Some say that Zhu Jianshen was exhausted to death by Zhu Yuhuan. I give up. If Zhu Yuhuan didn't take Zhu Jianshen with him, some people would say that Zhu Yuhuan was scheming and had ruined Zhu Jianshen.
138L: It is said that Zhu Zhanji was also poisoned to death by Zhu Yuhuan. Liu Yuanran was Zhu Yuhuan's teacher. Those who understand will understand.
139L: As we all know, there are three deadly bad guys in ancient Chinese history, namely Cao Pi, Zhao Guangyi and Zhu Yuhuan. In fact, Zhu Gaochi and Empress Zhang were also poisoned to death by Zhu Yuhuan. Those who understand will understand (doge)
140L: I’m so shocked… What happened to the promise that Breaking Bad was about a civil service group?
141L: Human imagination is indeed invincible. Otherwise, the concept god is said to be the strongest. Why didn’t they think of giving Zhu Yuhuan the mage profession when they released the character in a certain card drawing game?
142L: It’s ok, the game doesn’t have a character card for the Civilian Group.
143L: Please, screenwriter, please don't include unofficial history in this.
144L: dy is all this kind of popular science, saying Zhu Yuhuan is scheming and so on. Are the conclusions they spread called scheming? That's called vicious...
145L: Yes, don’t equate upward aspirations with ambition, and don’t equate ambition with viciousness.
146L: I don’t understand you people who like watching TV dramas. I feel that many folk secondary creations are not inferior to these so-called big productions.
147L: Why not watch Lecture Room? Guess who will watch the Tumu Rebellion episode over and over again? The previous dynasties and harem are both very exciting. It's a pity that it was not convenient to create a new story in ancient times. Otherwise, it would be directly adapted into a 108-chapter novel and told in Taiping Teahouse 24 hours a day.
148L: If it really doesn't work, let's remake Lecture Room... It is said that this TV series has been filed for 81 episodes. I wonder if there will be any changes to history. After all, the Ming Dynasty dramas in the past two years are either smearing historical figures or inserting foreign white moonlights. I am really afraid that Xianzong will be given a Tatar white moonlight.
Building in the building: Toto Pineapple: Are you thinking about me?
The post in the middle of the floor replied: I am dying of laughter. I changed my name to He Yong a long time ago! The suggestion to change the name was made by Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Qizhen.
149L: If the 81st episode was about Zhu Jianshen, it would definitely be a magical change. If it was about Zhu Yuhuan, it might be a little less. After all, her life span ranked second in the entire Ming Dynasty. The first was Zhu Youhuan. In the 300-year Ming Dynasty, these two accounted for nearly 100 years.
150L: I want to take more photos of the interaction between Zhu Di and Huanhuan. Who understands how heartwarming the relationship between us grandfather and grandson is?
151L: If episode 81 also includes the famous ministers of Yuan Guang, then Zhu Di might die in the first episode, and then appear in the form of a flashback.
152L: Judy, the white moonlight, right?
153L: Zhu Di never thought that he would appear in this form
154L: Can you reduce the roles of Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Qizhen? I’m so afraid that people will say Zhu Zhanji is a “daughter slave” and Zhu Qizhen is a “sister control” [Panda head wipes sweat]
155L: +1, it would be better to leave this space to Hu Shanxiang and Zhu Youtong
156L: When Xiaobao was doing the "Zhuazhou" ceremony, he grabbed his sister's hand...
157L: A fan of Huan died gently after reading it, what a literature
158L: Prince Ji: No... isn’t that my sister?
159L: Let's be more comprehensive. In fact, I'm not afraid of Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Qizhen having roles, but I'm afraid that they will be portrayed too "three-dimensionally" and the casting will be too good, resulting in the audience being confused because of the three-dimensional characters in "X Biao" and "XX Glory".
160L: I support the above, Zhu Zhanji is a good emperor and he is a bad father.
161L: Can we give Xiaoyu some shots? (Embarrassed)
162L: Of course there will be. Although Zhu Qiyu's presence is not strong, he is the most normal person in the Zhu family (relieved)
163L: That's true... Zhu Zhanji, the legendary father, Zhu Yuhuan, the master of ninjutsu, Zhu Youtong, the royal sister control, Zhu Qizhen, the Ming Dynasty war god, Zhu Hanjia, the jade syndrome patient... In comparison, Zhu Qiyu is really normal, and the value of Concubine Wu is still rising.
164L: Who wouldn't be crazy if they have the surname Zhu?
165L: Thanks to Hu Shanxiang, the harem has always been peaceful. This generation was still children and was not treated particularly badly.
166L: Luoyang now has a dedicated agricultural museum. Wu Miaosu and Zhu Qiyu have separate exhibition halls. If we are going to film a drama, we will definitely include this part. By the way, let me show off my wheat ear bookmark peripheral [bookmark.jpg]
167L: Concubine Xian: It's just a task ordered by His Majesty
168L: It is said that Wu Miaosu was originally a maid who took care of flowers and plants in the palace. She came from a poor family, so it is no wonder that Zhu Yuhuan gave her such an important task.
169L: Zhu Qiyu's personal notes stated that Hu Shanwei was Wu Miaosu's teacher when she was a court lady. Perhaps she had been secretly connected with Zhu Yuhuan for a long time.
170L: I'm curious why Wu Miaosu's palace files were destroyed. It's a pity, otherwise there wouldn't be such a statement above.
171L: Although Zhu Yuhuan treated his subordinates well, it is not a good record for a palace maid to have served others. After all, Concubine Wu was his father's concubine. It is normal to delete the evidence of this past for the sake of the respect of the emperor.
172L: I can see that Zhu Yuhuan and Wu Xianfei have a good relationship
173L: I want to report...
174L: The knowledge above is too mixed.
175L: I really hope that the drama can show Huanhuan's slightly darker side. For example, when she praised Zhu Qizhen for being smart, I must have been holding back my laughter.
176L: Evil Gardenia, right?
177L: I am dying of laughter. I have written about the previously mentioned "The Biography of Zhu Yuhuan, the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty". This book often contains psychological descriptions, such as Zhu Yuhuan mocking Zhu Zhanji, Zhu Qizhen, and Concubine Sun in his heart. Because there are too many psychological descriptions, although many people have always regarded this book as a bible, and some of the author's arguments are very innovative, the historical community generally does not recognize this book as an academic monograph, and it can only be a historical reading.
178L: I know, the author is Eunuch Zhu Yuhuan
179L: So the screenwriter of "The Legend of Zhu Yuhuan" is Zhu Yuhuan's mother, right?
180L: There seems to be some evidence for this dark personality. For example, before Zhu Zhanji died, Zhu Yuhuan asked someone to give Zhu Zhanji cinnabar to relieve his pain. From the fact that she never took pills, we can tell that she must have realized that these things were harmful, but she still asked someone to bring the medicine. It is estimated that she had long wanted to poison Zhu Zhanji to death.
181L: Xu Yun also wrote in his personal notes that before he became famous, he worked as an assistant in the Xu family clinic. The emperor kept asking him to grind medicine and told him not to stop. Xu Yun: Am I the donkey of the production team?
182L: What’s so evil about Zhu Yuhuan? Zhu Yuhuan is so awesome!
183L: This little analysis is harmless, but there is no need to develop it into the art of being thick-skinned. If the Ming Dynasty court could poison people at will, the eunuchs and palace maids would have followed suit in the late Eastern Han Dynasty. Why would they still support the emperor?
184L: That’s right!!!
185L: Please make the war scenes better. I want to see real scenes instead of pictures.
186L: Yes, yes, yes, don’t let the budget be insufficient and then use subtitles or something. This is the flaw of "Xian Xian Zong". The expedition to Luchuan was not properly filmed, and the civil engineering military exercise was also filmed in a more freehand way.
187L: The situation in Luchuan is quite complicated. It may not be possible to film it now, just like we can't film Liaodong and Kyushu... So it's better to put your hopes on the civil engineering military exercises. There are many armor restoration teams on the Internet that have done a good job.
188L: If the above person hadn't mentioned Liaodong, I would have forgotten about it... Now that you mention it, when can we make a TV series about Emperor Zhongzong of Ming Dynasty?
189L: Zhu Yuhuan was already bloody and violent, so I'm afraid Zhu Youhuan will become a warmonger... The colonies of the Ming Dynasty were established by Emperor Zhongzong of the Ming Dynasty. It's so disharmonious.
190L: Jinghai and Pengzhou are actually... Especially Jinghai (inward look)
191L: Stop talking nonsense, Jinghai and Pengzhou have been an inseparable part of us since ancient times.
192L: Actually, there is nothing that cannot be said. Big countries are always bullying small countries. Zhu Yuhuan had long wanted the Jinghai land to be a barrier for the Ming Dynasty's sea area. He found a reason to destroy Malacca. Otherwise, what do you think the people in the Ming Dynasty fleet were surveying?
193L: I live in Bengbu, Malacca: I saw a house collapsed from a distance, and when I looked over, it was my house.
194L: Stop talking, the post will be gone in a while, and the OP will cry even more. This kind of post is obviously posted by fans of a celebrity, in order to promote in advance and get traffic. So many people come in to discuss it seriously.
195L: Hilarious
196L: There is no way, there are no good Ming Dynasty dramas in recent years, and finally a rumored big pie comes out, everyone wants to have a taste
197L: Indeed, it is the TV series that do not center around Zhu Yuhuan that portray her better.
198L: I remember last year's film "River Chang'an" was centered around the restoration of water conservancy projects. It not only filmed Ruan An, Xu Yun, and Yu Qian, but also filmed many scholars from the Ming Academy of Sciences. Although the filming was relatively simple, the plot was still okay.
199L: The typical domestic entertainment industry can only write dramas for men but not for women.
200L: Can the above commenter please stop criticizing the film? There are many outstanding female characters in this film, including Song Cuilian. There were indeed relatively few female scholars in the Water Conservancy Department of the Academy of Sciences at that time. This is an objective fact and there is no need to deny it.
201L: I think it’s okay. The female characters in this film are all well-developed.
202L: I remember watching a drama called "Silk Road" when I was a kid. It was about the Lu family in Gansu. It was quite good. The drama only had 40 episodes, but it talked about love, family and country, spy wars, business wars, intangible cultural heritage crafts, migrant workers, officialdom... I loved watching it when I was a kid.
203L: I’ve seen it too!!
204L: The Pengzhou Lu family is a branch of the Gansu Lu family. The heroine of the Pengzhou Lu family, Lu Deying, is the granddaughter of the heroine of this TV series, Wang Xiaolan.
205L: Lian Yalan is on!
206L: You can watch "Emperor Taizong of Ming" (1986 TV series) + "The Defeat of Tumu" (documentary) + "Emperor Ming" (1991 TV series) + "The River Chang'an" + "The Battle of Yilibali" (war documentary) + "Silk Road" + "Silk Road" (documentary) in this order. This way you can basically get a clear understanding of the history of the early and middle Ming Dynasty. TV series like "The Legend of the Female Doctor of Ming Dynasty" that match the prototype but changed the name are not included in this.
207L: Chongba Ge: Not a buddy? I was kicked out of the early stage?
208L: After Han Guilan's tomb was unearthed, some historians are said to have started writing historical novels. If a remake is made in a few years, I think this drama can also be included to fill in some political gaps. After all, "Xian Xian Zong" is still a historical legend TV series and cannot be regarded as history.
209L: I don't want to watch stories about emperors, but I'm a little interested in the history of the Ming Dynasty. Are there any other dramas to watch besides "Silk Road" and "The Legend of the Female Doctor of the Ming Dynasty"? New dramas are also fine. I'm not afraid of eating shit.
210L: You can take a look at the "Female Lawyer". The background is the Zhongzong period. The prototype of the heroine is Lin Huanyi, a famous prostitute in the Zhongzong period. Her original name is Lin Huanyi. The prototype's life is also very ups and downs. She is from Jinghai and was sold to the local area by merchants and fell into the dust. Later, she was given to Su Xing, the censor of Songjiang Prefecture, as a concubine. She was born with extraordinary intelligence. She taught herself the "Great Ming Law" and the "Great Ming Law Regulations" supplemented by Xianzong and Zhongzong, and assisted Su Xing in solving cases. Su Xing admired Lin Huanyi's talent very much and let Lin Huanyi go back to be a female household. Later, Lin Huanyi became the first female lawyer in the Ming Dynasty with what she had learned.
211L: Huh? I thought there would be no more prostitutes after the emergence of the Empress.
212L: Nominally, there were no more, because Zhu Yuhuan had been delegating a large number of laborers to open up wasteland, go to sea, and so on. Many prostitutes, including official prostitutes, were among them (unexpectedly), and many prostitutes unbound their feet. In the middle and late Yuanguang period, this industry was banned, and the bodies of women with bound feet were basically no longer seen. But just like now, the court could not avoid the demand for such women. People like Lin Huanyi were bought from overseas to be secret prostitutes. Such privately run brothels cannot be eliminated by crackdowns on pornography and illegal publications. Lin Xingyun did not bind her feet much at the time, otherwise, at her age, her feet would have been completely disabled.
213L: There is no need to regard female emperors as the benchmark for the liberation of women. Their attributes as emperors are definitely superior to their gender attributes. The liberation of women is for the purpose of their rule. You can praise them, but don't glorify them. The real cause of liberating women can only be accomplished in modern society.
214L: Yes, until the end of the Ming Dynasty, concubines could not be abolished. This was a drawback of feudal society. However, during this period, women's freedom of marriage was further expanded. At the same time, the Ming Dynasty officials also gave household registration and identity to women's illegitimate children, recognized their social status, and gave them subsidies. However, this was also based on the needs of the rapidly expanding population after external expansion.
215L: If you want to watch a TV series related to Jinghai, you can watch "Baba Nyonya". It basically tells a story about the sea. The spiritual core is actually about cultural identity. There is a classmate in our class who is about Jinghai who went to Beijing for study after watching this TV series.
216L: When I was a kid, I watched an animation called Yuan Yuan’s Sea Adventures, which was about adventure. Even now, when I see Hanfu and Western clothes together, I still feel it’s magical.
217L: Childhood memories! I also watched this animation when I was a kid!
218L: Speaking of which, this Yuan Yuan actually refers to Zhu Shuyuan. How much history did she learn unintentionally when she was a child?
219L: So it’s Zhu Shuyuan! I remember she was a very brave little girl!
220L: Actually, in history, when Zhu Shuyuan went to sea, she already had a son. After years of sailing and managing overseas, it was already during the Xizai period. Zhu Shuyuan was already an old lady. But after all, it is a cartoon, so there is no need to be so strict. I became interested in geography because of this cartoon!
221L: There are actually many stories in the Zhongzong period that are worth making into TV dramas and there is a lot of historical data. Unfortunately, due to the involvement of some modern times, most of them can only be mentioned briefly. Fortunately, the netizens' secondary creations have made up for this.
222L: Yes, Zhu Youhuan himself is also very charismatic. I think she feels more like an emperor than Zhu Yuhuan.
223L: That's right, Zhu Youhuan is the one with a more gloomy personality. In comparison, Zhu Yuhuan is much more sunny and cheerful. However, Zhu Youhuan became the crown prince since he was a child, and his personal desire to control power is stronger. At the beginning, "The Fourteenth Year of Xizai" had been filed, but because of the controversy surrounding Zhu Youhuan, the project was eventually scrapped... From this perspective, Zhu Cizhao is actually quite similar to her ancestor. As the last monarch, she did her best, but her actions only accelerated the demise of the Ming Dynasty...
224L: But looking at the temple name given by the descendants of Ming Dynasty, we can see that they still recognized Zhu Youhuan’s achievements.
225L: For the Ming Dynasty at that time, immigration was indeed a good thing to ease internal conflicts. However, because the territory was too vast and the overseas investment had never stopped, the battle line was too long, which led to a significant weakening of the Ming Dynasty's control over the mainland. It was still nearly 80 years before the fall of the country. Various theories had already flooded the Ming Dynasty, and there were signs of early bourgeois revolution. After Zhu Cizhao's death, there were several years of civil unrest, and the country even started to play with constitutional monarchy.
226L: It's not a big problem. I think when filming Zhu Yuhuan, we can also take our Zhongzong along. Maybe we can also take Ruizong Zhu Houshuo in his childhood.
227L: Ruizong: Is there such a good thing? I don’t have any role in TV dramas.
228L: Actually, many emperors after Zhongzong were relatively transparent. The most famous ones are Emperor Xingde Zhu Yiming, his brother Zhu Yirui, and the last emperor Zhu Cizhao. Zhu Yiming gave birth to many children crazily to ensure that he would have no successors. However, due to the risks of female childbirth, not only did the children die, but he also died young. He didn't even have time to raise his adopted child. Otherwise, he could have trained a suitable heir, just like Zhu Yuhuan raised Zhu Jianshen...
229L: In the final analysis, it is because everyone around is PUA Zhu Yiming, saying things like "a mother who raises you is not as good as a mother who gives birth to you". If it were anyone, they would have fertility anxiety.
230L: So there was no female emperor in the Ming Dynasty until the last emperor Zhu Ci Zhao. Because she was the only child left in the family, she had to be chosen. Zhu Youhuan's physical fitness was too strong, which made people think that it was so easy for a female emperor to give birth to a child. In fact, even in modern times, the risks of childbirth are also very high.
231L: Zhu Ci Zhao is also unlucky enough
232L: It is said that because Queen Dowager Zhao was Zhu Ci Zhao's adoptive mother, she was the only one who survived. If Queen Dowager Zhao had adopted another heir, Zhu Ci Zhao would probably have been one of the many who died young.
233L: Is Queen Dowager Zhao also going to join the ranks of Breaking Bad? It's not necessary to say that. The physical fitness of the Zhu family is generally not very good. Not everyone can live as long as Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Youhuan. Even Zhu Youhang, who was born to the same mother as Zhongzong, died before he was fifty.
234L: The conversation upstairs is getting more and more off topic. There is no need to talk so much when filming Zhu Yuhuan.
235L: Anyway, if the screenwriter really can't come up with it, let the director shoot it according to the order of Ming Shilu. It's better than a stupid person's sudden inspiration to adapt it.
236L: Indeed, even if it follows the daily schedule, it will be boring at best, but at least it won’t be bad. If it doesn’t work, it can be made into a documentary.
237L: That makes sense
238L: I heard that several history bloggers and restoration bloggers have participated in the project. I think we can still look forward to it.
239L: Participation is participation, but how much of a role you can play depends on the script. If the script is not good, no matter how good other things are, it will only make the show a clown.
240L: It would be better if they could film it better. I really don't want to see historical figures being criticized for no reason due to random adaptations in film and television dramas...
241L: There are so many good suggestions, but I don’t know if the authorities will listen to them.
242L: Most officials have a rebellious mentality. As long as it's a serious suggestion, they generally won't listen. Their audience is not our group...
243L: Please don’t take advantage of me…
244L: It doesn't matter. Whether you listen or not, you can't change the mark these people have left on history. 'After thousands of years, who will know the honor and disgrace?'
245L: Attached is the authentic copy of Xianzong [The Spring and Autumn Annals are the only ones who know me and judge me.jpg]
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