Chapter 12: Extra Post-Life Post-BBS 4
[Question] I want to get into Ming history. Are there any must-read works?
LZ: rt, lz is a junior high school student. I recently learned about some of the history of the Ming Dynasty and want to get into it. Please recommend [starry eyes]
1L: My priority is to study hard.
2L: Top 1L
3L: Top 1L
4L: Top 1L
5L: Is LZ a fan of other dynasties who is here to fish?
6L (LZ): ＞＜ Don't be like this! I'm asking for advice sincerely!
7L: Can you speak without expression? I’m old and it makes me dizzy.
8L (LZ): OK~
9L: I browsed the homepage and found that the LZ's drawings are very nice, and the Q versions of Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Youtong are also very cute. As expected, newcomers first like Zhu Di, Zhu Yuhuan and so on. Brother Chongba, where is the dignity of you, the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty?
10L: Heavy Starling:?
11L (LZ): Thank you for the compliment!!
12L: Wow, it’s a big hornworm.
13L: How old are you? You have such ancient words.
14L: I’m getting off topic. Blogger, please recommend something. What are you talking about?
15L: Does the LZ know about the preference? I saw someone say you seem to like the sisters Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Youtong. You can go and read "Six Dynasties Palace Poems". In the poem "Wing Chun" written by Concubine He Huifei, it says "Orioles hold pipa in their mouths under the willows, swallows kick on the swings by the pond". According to research, it is about Xianzong and Prince Jizhuang. If you want to see actual evidence, you can go to the Jiwangfu Family Collection Museum in Shandong. There are many physical evidences, most of which are various gifts given by Xianzong to his sisters. There is only one special one. According to the descendants of Prince Ji, when they donated it, it was the pipa of the sisters Hu Shanwei and Hu Shanxiang. After Hu Shanwei's death, it was given to Zhu Youtong for collection.
16L: At this time, I have to say that Zhu Yuhuan was really generous. He actually allowed these poems to be leaked. After all, it was once the secret history of the imperial palace.
17L: Concubine He Hui’s poetry writing skills are average.
18L: I feel that the emotions in this song are very real. The exquisite words are one thing, and the emotions are another. It also describes the bright life of palace women. I like it very much.
19L: Indeed, Concubine He Hui's mentality is quite good. She is probably about the same age as Concubine Sun, but she lived much longer than her [covering face]
Louzhonglou replied: Concubine Sun is good enough. If she didn't have her daughter Prince Li by her side, she probably wouldn't have survived until the eighth year of Yuanguang. Even if Zhu Qizhen pulled her son, he would still be her biological son.
Reply: Indeed...
20L: The Zhu family has a strong artistic talent. Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Youtong are good at painting, Hu Shanxiang and Zhu Youtong are good at pipa, Zhu Yuhuan and Zhu Qiyu are good at calligraphy, Wu Xianfei is said to be able to make pipa, Zhu Jianshen's calligraphy and painting are also very good, and Zhu Youhuan's three brothers and sisters also have some skills in music, chess, calligraphy and painting.
21L: Jiuzhou Publishing House published a comic book about two sisters. You can check it out. The ancient white-drawing style is really beautiful [Zhu Yuhuan.jpg][Zhu Youtong.jpg]
22L: So beautiful!! Please give me the title of the book. I also want to find this kind of antique stuff!!
23L (LZ): I want it too! This style is so pretty!
24L: LZ can take a look at the novel called "Investiture of the Gods", which was published after the fall of the Ming Dynasty. The folks barely managed to collect 108 chapters. There may be some illogical places in the middle, but it does not affect the fun of the book. It ostensibly tells the story of Zhu Yuhuan's deification, but in fact it is actually the story of Zhu Yuhuan's Yuanguang reform.
25L: I suggest a dialectical view. In fact, the Yuanguang Reform laid many hidden dangers for the demise of the Ming Dynasty. After Yuanguang, the social structure of the Ming Dynasty began to loosen significantly, and the trend of valuing profit over righteousness prevailed. This also led to the Ming people's mixed evaluation of Zhu Yuhuan. Of course, from our current perspective, this is actually a good thing x
26L: It’s a novel, just for fun, but you can see that in the eyes of people at that time, our Huanhuan was a goddess-like existence.
27L: You can tell from Yu Zhen that Zhu Yuhuan had a graceful and dignified appearance. It is said that she was 1.8 meters tall. In addition, Xu Yun often flattered her, writing things like "Majestic as if it does not encompass the heavens", "Raising her arms and showing her might, she drinks from the four seas and swallows the nine states; walking on the land and showing off her power, she seizes the three lights and frightens the eight descendants", and "One person shakes the world, and single-handedly overturns the universe"... During the Ming Dynasty, female emperors were called "Holy Mother", "Saint", "Grandma", etc., so the term "Mother of Heaven" became popular.
28L: Regarding the term "Heavenly Mother", one reason is that it corresponds to the Earthly Mother system. Previously, the term "Earthly Mother beauties" was popular, expressing the heavy and tolerant style of women. The Heavenly Mother corresponds to this, indicating that she is awe-inspiring and inviolable, but also has the tolerance of a mother.
29L: Xu Yun is really good at flattering people (the point suddenly went off track)
30L: 28L is the correct answer. Zhu Yuhuan has always acted in this style.
31L: Xu Yun is so childish, but if I were praised like this, I would be coaxed into becoming an embryo sooner or later.
32L: If this were made into an animation, I can’t imagine how cheesy it would be hahahahahaha
33L: According to historical records, Zhu Yuhuan was silent for a long time after reading it, and then replied to Xu Yun: Don’t write anymore
34L: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
35L: Zhu Yuhuan: Digging out the Forbidden City with my toes
36L (LZ): This is so interesting, I can draw it into a small comic! !
37L: Has anyone read Xu Yun's "Danchi Collection"? All the famous articles mentioned by 27L are included in it. Hahahahaha, I would like to call it a collection of Zhu Yuhuan's fans' quotes.
38L: He also has a book called "Follow the Dragon", which details how Zhu Yuhuan followed the will of heaven, kept a low profile, and eventually ascended the throne. However, because it involved too many metaphysical factors, it looked very much like a forgery. In the last century, some scholars even publicly argued in newspapers about whether the book was true or not, and whether it was written by Xu Yun... Fortunately, Han Guilan's tomb was excavated six years ago, which put an end to this verbal battle.
The reply from the post: There are still traces of quarrels in the forum. If you are interested, you can search for it.
39L: Because this book describes in detail the "Taibai Daytime Visibility" incident, in "Investiture of the Gods" it is written that Zhu Yuhuan was born from Venus and came down to earth to gain experience.
40L: Actually, this book exposes a problem, a bit like Zhu Di's dream of the great jade tablet handed down from generation to generation. If Zhu Di had no intention of pacifying the rebellion at the time, why did he dream of Zhu Yuanzhang giving him the "great jade tablet"? If Zhu Yuhuan had no intention of a coup, why did he publicize the Taibai Daytime Vision? In a sense, these two accidentally revealed their true colors while whitewashing themselves.
41L: It doesn't matter, I will cat shape us Huanhuan
42L: Zhu Zhanji: I was the first person to make a cat sculpture of my daughter
43L (LZ): Huh? What do you mean?
44L: It is said that there was a painting of "Cat Slave" painted by Zhu Zhanji hanging in Zhu Yuhuan's Taiping Teahouse. Xuanzong painted his five children as cats. However, this painting was hung outside and has long been damaged and lost.
45L (LZ): What a pity...
46L: That's right. If this painting were to be passed down to today, it would be auctioned for tens of millions. After all, Zhu Zhanji's painting skills are there.
47L: You can take a look at the calligraphy and painting exhibition at the Forbidden City Museum. There are other paintings by Xuanzong, which were donated by Zhu Youtong's descendants. There is also a painting of "Cat Slave", which is very vivid. It can be imagined that the painting Zhu Zhanji gave to Huanhuan should be no less good.
48L: Why should the painting given by the emperor's father be left outside? Shouldn't such a piece of calligraphy be kept carefully?
49L: Because there were rumors at the time that the emperor wanted to depose the empress, favored the concubine's children, and despised the empress's daughters, so I guess Zhu Zhanji's intention in giving the picture and Zhu Yuhuan hanging the picture was to show the deep love between father and daughter. It's just a guess.
50L: Probably. If it wasn’t for this kind of political purpose, I guess Huanhuan wouldn’t want to post this bird picture…
51L: Is the relationship between Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Yuhuan really that bad? I think everyone has different opinions.
52L: It's hard to say. If you say Zhu Zhanji treated his daughter harshly, then the reward he gave to Zhu Yuhuan was the highest among all the princesses. If you say Zhu Zhanji treated his daughter well, then Zhu Yuhuan's treatment was never as good as Zhu Qizhen's.
53L: From a modern perspective, Zhu Zhanji didn't love his daughter at all. The basis of loving someone is to think about things from the other person's perspective. Looking at the results of Zhu Zhanji's behavior, we can find that during the ten years of Princess Xuande's reign, Zhu Yuhuan's reputation was not very good. He was talented but could not escape the label of being domineering and extravagant. This led to Zhu Yuhuan being openly assassinated when he was suppressing the rebellion in Cizhou. The reason was that Zhu Zhanji seized a large amount of land from the people to give to his daughter. On the contrary, during the Baozong period, Zhu Yuhuan's reputation had a qualitative leap, and his abilities and ambitions were further demonstrated.
54L: Zhu Yuhuan was in power for more than 40 years, but he never paid homage to Zhu Zhanji's Jingling Mausoleum in person. He always sent Prince Wei and Prince Li to do so, even when he was on an expedition. The only time he paid homage to Zhu Di in person was when he led Zhongzong to hunt down Wuliangha. After that, there was no record of Zhu Yuhuan paying homage to Zhu Zhanji's family. Instead, Zhu Yuhuan paid homage to Hu Shanxiang not long after she died and was buried. If she hadn't died soon after, I don't think she would have gone again.
55L: Indeed
56L: That's not the case. Zhu Zhanji played a big role in Mingzong's growth, such as teaching him how to be a king and how to march.
57L: Saihazhi/Liu Yongcheng: He teaches marching, so what do we teach?
58L: Live in Bengbu
59L: Zhu Zhanji should have had a fatherly love for Zhu Yuhuan, but as Zhu Yuhuan grew up and began to show her talents, Zhu Zhanji's use of her should have gradually surpassed his fatherly love. In addition, with the birth of Bao Zong, Zhu Zhanji no longer had to play the role of the heir to the father's way.
60L: Really, Zhu Zhanji was anxious about having a son, and it seriously affected Concubine Sun's mental health...
61L: Actually, it is quite normal. After all, the practice of a princess becoming emperor started after Zhu Yuhuan.
62L: Every time I watch "The Book of Ming", I always want to skip this part. I always feel physically sick when I see this part. Zhu Yuhuan didn't become a pervert after being treated by such a patriarchal father. She is this [good]
63L: Need I mention the Zhu family’s early tradition of favoring sons over daughters?
64L: It has to be Huanhuan
65L: Actually, this kind of dark father-daughter relationship is also very good. Although they are father and daughter, they are also political partners. Why did Zhu Zhanji always take Huanhuan to see Zhu Di? Those who understand will understand.
66L: This is a great picture. My father and I both have the same ambitious eyes [here is a nice fan art]
67L: Zhu Yuhuan is similar to Zhu Zhanji in some ways. To be honest, whether an emperor is likable or not has a lot to do with his ability. As long as his ability is strong enough,
68L: This picture on 66L is a screenshot of my wife's handwriting. [Link] [Zhu Family Father and Daughter] "Among the opponents, you are a respectable rival."
69L: Enemies are enemies. Enemies cannot become father and daughter.
70L:? Did the above person say it the other way around?
71L: Although Zhu Zhanji is Zhu Yuhuan's biological father, many of Yuhuan's fans don't really recognize him. One reason is that Zhu Yuhuan himself rarely mentions Zhu Zhanji, and the other is that Zhu Zhanji is too good to Baozong. In him, Zhu Zhanji is most like a normal father. To Zhu Yuhuan, Zhu Zhanji is more like an emperor. If you have to choose, it's better to support Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Qizhen, the father and son.
72L: I feel that "Ambition" is more suitable for Zhu Qizhen and Zhu Yuhuan. They are the brother and sister who have the real dank flavor.
73L: Because Zhu Qizhen is not Zhu Yuhuan's opponent, let alone his rival. They are not evenly matched. It is Zhu Yuhuan who is teasing Zhu Qizhen with a carrot.
74L: Indeed, if we must define the arch-enemy, it would be Zhu Zhanji and Zhu Yuhuan. Zhu Zhanji gave Zhu Yuhuan the stage to display his talents, but also tried his best to stifle Zhu Yuhuan's vitality. Zhu Yuhuan dedicated his abilities to Zhu Zhanji and made many contributions to the Xuande Dynasty, but personally killed Zhu Zhanji's favorite son. Perhaps Zhu Zhanji was aware of his daughter's ambition, and perhaps Zhu Yuhuan was aware of his father's murderous intentions...
75L: What you wrote above is so fitting...
76L: It is known that Hu Shanxiang and Zhu Zhanji had a bad relationship, and Zhu Yuhuan was very filial to his mother Hu Shanxiang. Please ask: Did Zhu Yuhuan love his father deeply?
77L: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I'm dying of laughter, the upstairs killed the game
78L: [Link] [A certain brother and sister] Planting fruit but no results丨You are the one I planted with my own hands, full of hatred
79L: This title is so funny
80L: Even changed the lyrics
81L: I took a look at the tag, why is it a certain sibling? Can it still get traffic without the name?
82L: Because everyone knows that it is very immoral to eat this, so basically no real name is used. It is commonly known as "a certain sister and brother", the toilet nickname is "hate", and the single nickname is "huanhuan" and "zhuqizhen". If there are people who like to eat this style, respect and bless
83L: Zhu Qizhen and Zhu Yuhuan both have nicknames, but you haven’t yet
84L: The above person is really swearing... Zhu Yuhuan's relationship with male elders in the mortal world should be with Zhu Di, his fifth uncle, and his tenth uncle.
85L: Grandfather and grandson are immortal products. Looking at many of Huanhuan's behaviors, it is actually meant to imitate Zhu Di. For example, the military exercise at Tumu Fort in the sixth year of Yuanguang was imitating Zhu Di. And when she was blocked at the door on the eve of the defeat of Tumu, she also said "the great-grandson of Emperor Wen of the Ming Dynasty". The fifth uncle and the tenth uncle are also okay. In fact, the relationship should be better with the tenth uncle. One is that the two are close in age, and the other is that Prince Wei has been engaged in royal sacrificial work, and he also brought Prince Li and Prince Hui with him. It can be seen that Zhu Yuhuan still trusts them very much.
86L: This passage is claimed to be from Xu Yun's "Conglongzhi" (The Story of the Dragon)? This book appears to be a documentary, but the actual content is the same as a novel. It can only be regarded as Zhu Yuhuan's political propaganda literature and should not be taken seriously.
87L: Zhu Yuhuan: After so many years of hiding, can't I show off my coolness? Then play the music and dance
88L: Xu Yun also mentioned in this book that when the emperor entered Taoism, Taibai was seen during the day. The "Qintianjianzhi" collected in the National History Museum also recorded this, which should be to prove that the emperor was destined to be the emperor.
89L: I feel that Xianzong must have been sure of victory at that time, otherwise she would never be so high-profile with her personality.
90L: It is well known that Zhu Yuhuan looks like Zhu Di. How Zhu Di survived is obvious to all.
91L: Don't say it, you really shouldn't say it, in some conspiracy theories, Zhu Qizhen's personal defeat was all due to Zhu Yuhuan's secret manipulation. It was she who deliberately proposed the policy of changing the natives to the Han people, causing the Ming Dynasty to divide its troops in the southwest, resulting in insufficient reserve forces, so Zhu Qizhen was captured.
92L: The conspiracy theory above is the lowest level. I have seen even more ridiculous ones. The whole court is Zhu Yuhuan's people. They are all here to persecute the poor little fort.
93L: Wait a minute [Big puts eye drops in his eyes][Big cries loudly] Why do you bad guys come to bully our wise and powerful Bao Zong? Wuwuwuwu
94L: Zhu Yuhuan: ? The entire court is my people? Then what's the point of me working so hard to gain political achievements and reputation all these years? Is it fun?
95L: Is it possible to reform the system of native peoples to be regular peoples?
96L: At that time, Luchuan had just been pacified, and the transformation of the natives into officials was a must to consolidate the southwestern border. If there was collusion between the inside and outside, there might be a second or third expedition to Luchuan, which would only cost more. How could Zhu Yuhuan be blamed for such a thing that was beneficial to the country? Besides, it was Zhu Qizhen who wanted to go there himself, and Cao Nai and others couldn't stop him at that time.
97L: Reforming the system of native officials is a good thing for strengthening centralization of power. I don't understand why some people regard this as a conspiracy theory.
98L: Zhu Qizhen’s image in his fans is like: a young emperor with super abilities and who understands people’s hearts, but a pitiful little boy who is easily deceived by his sister. I say, you fans really don’t think there is something wrong with this character setting?
99L: Mammy, get out of Daming, I must order something good from you...
100L: I laughed so hard I vomited
101L: Zhu Yuanzhang: The Sun and the Moon Reopen the Great Song Dynasty
Zhu Di: Five expeditions to Mobei and Annan
Zhu Zhanji: A Border Patrol Defeats the Wuliangha
Zhu Yuhuan: Suppressed the Rebellion in Cizhou and Conquered Luchuan
Zhu Qizhen: I understand, just do it√
102L: Judy: The password...
103L (LZ): Ahh ...
104L: Zhu Zhanji did not suffer a major defeat during his border patrol. Judging from the fact that the Wuliangha dared to go south to graze their livestock afterwards, this was not a major defeat. In any case, it did not have a complete deterrent effect.
105L: I saw someone say that he killed 100,000 Wuliangha.
106L: Are they fans of Xuanzong? If they killed 100,000 people, there wouldn't be many left in the Wuliangha. However, the Wuliangha were skilled and daring. Even when Zhu Di was around, they still found opportunities to move south. Later, Zhu Yuhuan led his men and drove them all the way to the Jurchen territory. Soon, the Wuliangha seemed to have merged with the Jurchens and disappeared.
107L: I’ve gone off track. No one cares about you couples. Please let us live happily alone, okay? (Inner look)
108L: The CP also completes the character image, I quite like it (I am a single person)
109L: Really, I love reading fan fiction. I feel that many women who read history have done in-depth research on history.
110L: Thanks to Zhu Yuhuan, we Shi Tongnu will finally not be labeled as rotten girls (?)
111L: Yes, we Shi Tongnu are actually lesbians (?)
112L: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
113L: Women’s politics began to emerge during the reign of King Hyeonjong, no longer being hidden beneath the soil.
114L: Indeed, if there was no Zhu Yuhuan, the last overt female politician in feudal society would probably be Empress Dowager Zhang assisting the government.
115L: Empress Dowager Zhang did make great contributions and was very attentive to Zhu Yuhuan's education.
116L: Her level is still debatable, Xiaobao was also raised by her [covering face]
117L: Hahahahahahahahahaha it’s so hard to hold back
118L: The same goes for Zhu Zhanji. It's hard to say what the educational level of these two is. On the contrary, the neglected Zhu Youtong, Zhu Hanjia, and Zhu Qiyu are all of normal level. It can be seen that these two are also quite extreme...
119L: [Link] [Zhu Qizhen] Eh?! Is this true? Am I not a rare and wise ruler?
120L: I’m impressed. Ming fans can do anything [covering face]
121L (LZ): If the character wasn't Zhu Qizhen, the handwriting would still be very cute...
122L: LZ made me laugh to death
123L: [Link] [Yongle Yuanguang] I Lost You
124L: Suddenly release a powerful weapon
125L: The painting is very good, but it is a good thing that Zhu Yuhuan became the emperor after losing Zhu Di.
126L: The people upstairs laughed so hard that instant noodles came out of my nose
127L: Is everything okay upstairs? Hahahahaha
128L: I feel that LZ likes girls very much. I would like to share with you the two people who lost their hometown. [Link] [Zhu Cizhuo x Zhu Yijing] When you leave, my dream will go with you.
129L (LZ): Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll go check it out!
130L: I can’t criticize it, this is really “I lost you”, but it’s not a big problem, double death is HE
131L: What a joke from hell...
132L: This meme is really popular, my CP also has [link] [Zhu Yuhuan X Song Cuilian] [chain] I know I will lose a love and a close friend
133L: My CP will not have such sad handwriting, who understands the CP that exploits each other?
134L (LZ): Are you talking about Huanhuan and Queen Mother Zhou?
135L: That’s right! [Link] “If there is a Qingtian decree, I will also go to the Ninth Heaven once.”
136L: I never thought this song could be used here [covering face] After mentioning Queen Mother Zhou, this song suddenly became funny.
137L: Who knows how motivated our Xiao Zhou is! !
138L: This is really ambitious. Not only did he make progress himself, but he also forced his natal family to make progress. If Zhou Shou didn't have his sister, he really wouldn't have had the chance to go to sea, let alone the title of Earl. This is the first person in the Ming Dynasty whose concubine's family was made Earl.
139L: As we all know, Xiao Zhou's concubine was the concubine appointed by Emperor Xianzong.
140L: I feel that Zhu Yuhuan’s childhood experiences had a great influence on him. It is rare to see a woman with so many same-sex CPs.
141L: The Ming in Daming is the Ming in lesbian (?)
142L: I am dying of laughter
143L: Although Zhou was originally from the Prince's Royal Manor, this manor was managed by Zhu Yuhuan, so it is impossible to say that they have no relationship.
144L: You said Xiao Zhou was stupid, but Xiao Zhou could become Defei. You said Xiao Zhou was vulgar, but Xiao Zhou could serve two emperors. You said Xiao Zhou could not survive more than one episode, but Xiao Zhou lived to the eleventh year of Xizai, at the age of seventy-five... Our Xiao Zhou is the first living person in the Yuanguang Dynasty.
145L: Empress Dowager Zhou: Why am I always passed over in women’s politics?
146L: Answer: Never talk if you can do it with your hands
147L: Who understands the sense of redemption that Empress Dowager Zhou felt when she pushed Concubine Sun back to her seat during the court meeting?
148L: The most high-end political struggles often use the simplest methods...
149L: Died of laughter, someone even drew this handwriting [link] [Empress Dowager Zhou/Concubine Sun] Woman scolding cat meme
150L: This video is so abstract hahahahahaha
151L: I don't understand why many people are so hostile to Zhou. In fact, she is quite inspiring, but she is a bit straightforward. I feel that she treats Zhu Yuhuan as a tool. Zhou tries hard to gain face for herself and her family within the tolerance of the emperor. It is well known that Zhu Yuhuan has very strict requirements for the royal family and relatives. Zhou did not condone her family to do anything illegal, and even repeatedly called her relatives to the palace to reprimand them. She is considered to be a good relative among the relatives.
152L (LZ): Huh? I was just about to... Is their relationship just a play?
153L: It’s a bit complicated, but I think Huanhuan is generally quite tolerant and appreciative of Xiao Zhou, and is willing to give her a chance.
154L: This is what I like most about Huanhuan. She has really given many people opportunities, and most of these people have lived up to her trust. If it weren’t for the trust given by Huanhuan, there would be no such two-way running.
155L: Indeed, except for Zhu's Laodeng and Xiaodeng
156L: LZ watch the single-player [link] [Zhu Yuhuan] Mingxianzong is here~
[Link] [Zhu Yuhuan's personal/entertainment tips] ABCDEFU~ (This offends everyone)
[Link] [Zhu Yuhuan] Like an emperor
157L: ABCDEFU~ Who chose the song for the editing? Hahahaha, in a sense, the lyrics do match hahahaha!
158L: Zhu Yuhuan: You (Zhu Zhanji), your mother (Empress Dowager Zhang), your sister (Concubine Sun), your job (patrol the border of the imperial farm), your broken car (abandoning Annan and shrinking the border), and your garbage called art (cat slave painting), fuck you, and your friend (Zhu Qizhen), we will never see each other again, everyone except your dog (the minister of the throne), you'd better all disappear
159L: Perfect interpretation of Xianzong's mental state. Xu Wangzhi wrote in his notes that she was in a coma and mentally ill for a period of time in Yunnan due to excessive pressure. The first thing she did when she finally woke up was to curse the sky and the earth, and she also showed a tendency to self-harm.
160L: It is said that Zhu Yuhuan sang this song when he was mentally ill (?)
161L (LZ): A hundred years from now you will be unofficial history.
162L: The real family relationship depends on our mother and sisters... [Link] [Xianzong/Ji Wang] Sister, are we sisters in other worlds?
[Link] [Hu Shanxiang/Zhu Yuhuan] [Mother and daughter] I love you so
163L (LZ): I have watched several episodes of the up master's video explaining the Xianzong Dynasty. I feel like I have fallen in love with Zhu Yuhuan... The teachers' handwriting is even more heartwarming TT
164L: Watch the Lecture Room, it's really good, not just the emperor's side, but also Zhu Yuhuan as a daughter, sister, mother, elder, friend, teacher, boss, etc. are all introduced in detail. If you don't fall in love with Zhu Yuhuan after watching it, you really should check it out.
165L: I feel that folk secondary creations sometimes have a more thorough understanding of historical figures than some large-scale productions.
166L: It’s hard to say. After all, most of the folk secondary creations are generated by fans’ love, so there will definitely be some beautification.
167L: This is true, but there are also people who work very hard to criticize because they hate it too much. For example, as early as the Deshi period, some people criticized Xianzong for promoting mechanical production to replace human labor. This led to internal unrest in the Ming Dynasty, unrest among the people, frequent uprisings, and promoted the rise of the status of merchants, causing the people to value profit over righteousness, and there is a risk of repeating the mistakes of the Song Dynasty.
168L: No, this is really funny. Opposite the Song Dynasty were the Western Xia and the Jin Dynasty. What did you Ming Dynasty have opposite? The Oirat Mongols were counterattacked and sinicized. The Tatar tribes were also strangled by Zhu Yuhuan and divided. The rule of the Liaodong Regional Military Commission was strengthened. Japan harassed Korea for a while, and Zhu Yuhuan fought to Kyushu. Half of Yilibali in the west was also recovered. Yarkand was completely ruled by Zhongzong. The maritime defense of the Ming Dynasty was also established and improved under the leadership of Zhu Yuhuan. The only regret is that Zhu Yuhuan did not take back Tibet personally, but he returned during the Xizai period. If there is no industrial development, can the above policies be implemented? Why repeat the same mistakes? The Ming Dynasty literati can really talk nonsense.
160L: We can't expect everyone to understand the situation. Compared to the Ming people, modern people are the most difficult to deal with. It is said that Zhu Yuhuan's promotion of mechanization led to the demise of the Ming Dynasty. If Zhu Qizhen had continued to rule, even if Zhu Qiuyu, who was good at farming, had ascended the throne, the Ming Dynasty would not have lasted only 302 years.
170L: 302 years is still short? That's enough. Is it possible that the Ming Dynasty was a feudal society, and feudal dynasties are better off being short-lived? What on earth are some people glorifying? [sweating soybeans]
171L: Modern people only need to say that Zhu Yuhuan promoted bloody capital accumulation, but Zhu Yuhuan himself had a lot to consider.
172L: Did you read that post above? They said Zhu Yuhuan didn't understand economic theory, promoted water-powered textiles, and condensed the work of 10 people into 8 people. Is this competing with the people for profit?
173L: I saw that post too, and my reaction was this: What are you talking about? Yalazo!
174L: Let's not talk about the fact that Zhu Yuhuan was still a princess when water-powered textiles were introduced, so it wouldn't have affected the entire society. Even after the steam engine appeared, society had corresponding subsidies. Coupled with large-scale immigration and land occupation, the contradictions were obviously being alleviated. Moreover, after the introduction of new crops, the supply of agriculture increased significantly. Zhu Yuhuan also ordered the state to allocate subsidies to farmers who insisted on farming. How could he compete with the people for profits again?
175L: Those who say they don’t understand economic theory may not have learned the concepts of industrial upgrading and extending the industrial chain. Take textiles as an example. In the middle and late Ming Dynasty, many embroiderers were hired as technical consultants for factories with high salaries to help study the industrialization of embroidery. However, until the Kaiping period (1588-1618), embroidery craftsmanship was always based on manpower, because the embroidery products of the machines at that time were far less refined than those made by manual labor, and could not meet the needs of the upper class for embroidery, so there was no way to replace human labor. On the contrary, other industries, such as metallurgy and mining, because of the development of industrialization, reduced the casualties of miners and reduced the workload, which also meant that there were no large-scale miners’ uprisings like those during the Zhengtong period in the middle and late Ming Dynasty. Moreover, some people were forced to go back to develop agriculture, which in turn ensured that the Ming Dynasty had relatively sufficient food during the Little Ice Age. Later, due to the sufficient development of capitalism and the rise of the ideological liberation movement, the Ming royal family finally couldn’t hold on.
176L (LZ): Huanhuan has tried his best, this is the limitation of the times [tears][tears][tears]
177L: Le, this is because you haven't studied world history. There is a country in South Asia that is rich in resources and has sufficient labor force, but it has never developed industrialization. It was not until it was invaded that it began to slowly develop industrialization under the enemy's artillery. However, in most cases, it only did the most basic non-technical work. Guess what it became after the Ming army retreated in the late Ming Dynasty?
178L: Reduced to a market for cheap labor and raw materials, it once became a major product of maritime human trafficking (pull out history textbooks)
179L: It seems that if the development of light industry was not promoted, no one would starve to death in the Ming Dynasty. Unexpectedly, more people starved to death at that time.
180L: In the final analysis, I still have illusions. I really think that ancient society is the beautiful society described by some people, where men farm and women weave, and there is self-sufficiency and no competition. In fact, in ancient times, only a small number of people could live like human beings. It is even more difficult to achieve the living standards of ordinary people today.
181L: The sentence in the next post can also be applied here. How hard it was for the ancient people to farm while cursing the dog emperor in their hearts. Unlike modern people, they can lie in an air-conditioned room and imagine themselves living the easy and beautiful ancient life described in farming articles.
182L: Stop scolding me, I really thought so when I was reading novels in school.
183L: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
184L: Modern society is still better. It’s okay to do some historical research in daily life. If I were to go back to that era, what about the Yongle era, the Yuanguang Restoration, and the Yuanxi era, I would be the first to hang myself.
185L: Upstairs +1
186L: Shi Tong is just Shi Tong. What we need to do is live in the present, live in the real world.
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